Why is Warrior a healer in all but role?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

"So what if a core part of the class fantasy for healers is helping me, I'm having fun not needing help. I agree healers totally should be made fun, but without making ME need their help."

"Dungeon is supposed to be boring! It's fine!! Just shut up!!"

Just another day that ends with 'y'.

[Reginald_Cain]

Another day another stupid healer doing anything but coming up with to have fun without it being at other people's expense. Ask for something that makes sense like a healer dps kits thats just dot into 1 button spam. Or maybe a form of healing that's unique like a dot that leeches health to all allies near the afflicted enemy. Warrior is not the problem it's just that your role is stuck in limbo between super boring and overly stressed. It sux and should be removed as a role. healing should be a team effort. Or if it has to be it's own role it should be less 1 dimensional.

[Alice_Rivers]

Or if it has to be it's own role it should be less 1 dimensional.

You mean it should have a second dimension, like healing?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The solution to a non-healer role’s absurd HPS is obviously to find ways to contribute even more into that already absurd overhealing! No! You better not touch MY ‘I win’ button!! /s

The only part I’d agree is the axing of the entire role because what we have right now is a mere wishy toolkits that only gets ‘fun’ when your party is really, -REALLY- bad at playing the game (84 minutes run of Orbonne, anybody?).

[Kozh]

Another day another stupid healer doing anything but coming up with to have fun without it being at other people's expense.

You mean like how WAR main refuse to have its healing kit nerfed even if it comes at other role's expense?

Ask for something that makes sense like a healer dps kits thats just dot into 1 button spam. Or maybe a form of healing that's unique like a dot that leeches health to all allies near the afflicted enemy.

... do you really think we haven't asked for this already? Just look at the healer strike thread (where people still ridicule healers for asking this even though they're not healers themselves, for some reason).
Considering yoshida's stance and statement, it is very unlikely that healer will get something more that isn't a "here's one more dps button" pity (at best). Healing should be team effort? Yeah we saw how it went with "aggro is team effort".

Currently the only easiet solution that doesn't heavily affect the whole system is to nerfed WAR self sustain. It's more realistic than the what-if scenario. It's not ideal and if I could chose, I would actually choose the ideas you presented here. But alas, the devs seems allergic to making healer role fun.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

The only part I’d agree is the axing of the entire role because what we have right now is a mere wishy toolkits that only gets ‘fun’ when your party is really, -REALLY- bad at playing the game (84 minutes run of Orbonne, anybody?).

I mean, if all you ever do is non-fail-able hyper casual content, yah. You won't have to heal much. Fresh prog as a healer is everything you, and the other "healers" in this thread are begging for. Fresh prog with a Co-heal friend is literally the most fun thing about prog. And no, 8 of the world's best players managing the RNG fest that is a healer-less ulti run doesn't invalidate that.

Really, if 90% of the people crying stepped into savage, they'd find the healing people are claiming is lacking. Because good luck having war heal itself and the entire party by itself in savage lol.

Inb4 more excuses and crying. If you only do baby content, don't fucking complain when square treats you with the kid gloves. For real. If healing is too easy or light, DO HARDER THINGS. There's tiers of content for a reason.

[NaoSen]

I mean, if all you ever do is non-fail-able hyper casual content, yah. You won't have to heal much. Fresh prog as a healer is everything you, and the other "healers" in this thread are begging for. Fresh prog with a Co-heal friend is literally the most fun thing about prog. And no, 8 of the world's best players managing the RNG fest that is a healer-less ulti run doesn't invalidate that.

Really, if 90% of the people crying stepped into savage, they'd find the healing people are claiming is lacking. Because good luck having war heal itself and the entire party by itself in savage lol.

Inb4 more excuses and crying. If you only do baby content, don't fucking complain when square treats you with the kid gloves. For real. If healing is too easy or light, DO HARDER THINGS. There's tiers of content for a reason.

As soon as you see a "Warrior don't need healers" post/thread you know they talking about dungeons. Good luck having WAR heal an entire raidwide even in normal mode raids.

[Supersnow845]

As soon as you see a "Warrior don't need healers" post/thread you know they talking about dungeons. Good luck having WAR heal an entire raidwide even in normal mode raids.

If you can’t press SIO at the regularly scheduled 90 second intervals for raidwides that just means you somehow managed to fail playing the literal easiest job

Not like that makes it engaging to press kerechole once every minute because the other roles are terrified of a trinity system

Another day another stupid healer doing anything but coming up with to have fun without it being at other people's expense. Ask for something that makes sense like a healer dps kits thats just dot into 1 button spam. Or maybe a form of healing that's unique like a dot that leeches health to all allies near the afflicted enemy. Warrior is not the problem it's just that your role is stuck in limbo between super boring and overly stressed. It sux and should be removed as a role. healing should be a team effort. Or if it has to be it's own role it should be less 1 dimensional.

How about tanks actually ask for somewhat interesting TANKING as a secondary role dimension rather than taking healing away from the healers then complaining the healers are unhappy that the tanks are better healers than they are

I mean, if all you ever do is non-fail-able hyper casual content, yah. You won't have to heal much. Fresh prog as a healer is everything you, and the other "healers" in this thread are begging for. Fresh prog with a Co-heal friend is literally the most fun thing about prog. And no, 8 of the world's best players managing the RNG fest that is a healer-less ulti run doesn't invalidate that.

Really, if 90% of the people crying stepped into savage, they'd find the healing people are claiming is lacking. Because good luck having war heal itself and the entire party by itself in savage lol.

Inb4 more excuses and crying. If you only do baby content, don't fucking complain when square treats you with the kid gloves. For real. If healing is too easy or light, DO HARDER THINGS. There's tiers of content for a reason.

In before I say I stopped doing savage because savage healing is boring because healing requirements are too low and one button spam is boring and then I get told “but think of the casuals”

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]For real. If healing is too easy or light, DO HARDER THINGS. There's tiers of content for a reason.

You know what? At best, that is totally valid line of reasoning. But you don't address the issue by doing those -harder things-. 60-80% are still Glaroilficosis (lol all magic missile) spam - that's their 'endgame', on all 4 healers. Static, PF, pink, or gray. All the same. At worst, the line comes across as a direct admittance to "Healers are only enjoyable when they're doing the sweaty betty hard mode and nowhere else", which is also one of the issue that's being raised in this collective 'healer issues'.

Ideally you want different tiers of content being engaging. Ideally when you tackle challenging contents, you want that to challenge you, not because you're bored to tears.

[miraidensetsu]

I would just quit the game at that point. If I wanted to tank I'd play a tank.

Same goes to WAR. If I want to play a Healer, I pick a healer, not a WAR or a PLD.