The Final Verse Quantum 40. Lacking rewards. Only titel and no mount/glam or weapons.

[Alicie]

how about not doing it if its not fun to do?

seems like a contradiction if you do it anyway. their numbers are probably louder than forum posts xD

Rewards are big part of fun. I'd say, the biggest fun is getting a reward. If there's no useful reward, that takes away a lot of fun.

Well for me its the fact that they repeated the same mistake that they did with Criterion Savage. Lackluster rewards for the effort required to clear the content. It's a self defeating purpose here. They don't want the backlash to putting thinfs like mounts glams and minions behind it. Yet, at the same time, they don't put enough to incentive people to try it. It's clear they want quantum to be the new way for them to try things but how do you know when A) so few people are doing it and B) the rewards for it discourage people from doing it in the first place and running it again?

So in the end, it doesn't look like they learned anything from Criterion savage.

Unique rewards are being put behind savages, ultimates and chaotic raids, neither SE nor community seems to have any issues with that.

[Masha_Awandah]

I mean they're right though? If you only do content for rewards not because you enjoy it, then what's the point?

Good point, people shouldn't expect any rewards from difficult content beside the satisfaction of clearing it.

Therefore, we should remove gear rewards from Savage fights and place it in Normal raids instead, since obviously no one runs Savage for the gear.

(This is sarcasm btw)

[Ankhira]

Good point, people shouldn't expect any rewards from difficult content beside the satisfaction of clearing it.

Therefore, we should remove gear rewards from Savage fights and place it in Normal raids instead, since obviously no one runs Savage for the gear.

(This is sarcasm btw)

That’s not what I said. I’m not against rewards. I’m saying if you only do content for rewards and hate the experience, maybe it’s worth asking why you’re doing it at all.

People often say “There’s no reason to do this without rewards,” but isn’t the time spent enjoying it a reward in itself? In real life, we do hobbies without external rewards all the time. I write books that’ll never be published and sometimes I hate what I wrote but the process is still more fulfilling than the lack of rewards/recognition it gives me. Games are the same. They’re hobbies. You don’t need a reward to justify doing something you enjoy.

[Masha_Awandah]

That’s not what I said. I’m not against rewards. I’m saying if you only do content for rewards and hate the experience, maybe it’s worth asking why you’re doing it at all.

People often say “There’s no reason to do this without rewards,” but isn’t the time spent enjoying it a reward in itself? In real life, we do hobbies without external rewards all the time. I write books that’ll never be published and sometimes I hate what I wrote but the process is still more fulfilling than the lack of rewards/recognition it gives me. Games are the same. They’re hobbies. You don’t need a reward to justify doing something you enjoy.

While that is true, there's no denying that rewards are often a strong motivator and part of the fun of doing something. Having goals to work towards to is something a lot of people want, myself included.

Why do people make Zodiac weapons if the experience is so awful? Because they want a really cool weapon.

Why do people farm Bozja? For experience, Resistance weapons, glam armor, and other cosmetic rewards.

Why farm Eureka? Same reasons as Bozja, minus the EXP.

It goes on and on. Any piece of content usually has something cool and unique to it that players want to get. And then we have Quantum and... It's just one title. Not exactly a whole lot of shelf life there.

[Alicie]

That’s not what I said. I’m not against rewards. I’m saying if you only do content for rewards and hate the experience, maybe it’s worth asking why you’re doing it at all.

People often say “There’s no reason to do this without rewards,” but isn’t the time spent enjoying it a reward in itself? In real life, we do hobbies without external rewards all the time. I write books that’ll never be published and sometimes I hate what I wrote but the process is still more fulfilling than the lack of rewards/recognition it gives me. Games are the same. They’re hobbies. You don’t need a reward to justify doing something you enjoy.

People usually don't hate the battle. Initially, they're neutral to it. Then they look whether they want to spend time on it. Do they necessarily want to learn and prog the battle? Not really. Do they hate the idea of doing it? Not at all. So they need some little push towards actually doing it, some little reason. Rewards are that reason.

[Kandraxx]

Good point, people shouldn't expect any rewards from difficult content beside the satisfaction of clearing it.

Therefore, we should remove gear rewards from Savage fights and place it in Normal raids instead, since obviously no one runs Savage for the gear.

(This is sarcasm btw)

btw you're playing a game where the biggest catch of better gear is to clear an ow fate 0.5 seconds faster.

it's what you get when you try to carbon copy wow in 2014 but have no actual clue how and why they were doing things.

[Asari5]

How about not defend small indie company when no one asked?

Everyone paid for yawntrail AND sub price till this point. We get a fight that is no one farming even in easiest version and hardest one gives you only title, not even weapons/glam like ultimates.

how am i defending the indie company? if enough people clear it they will view it as success. regardless of some posts in the english forum.
if the content on its own isnt fun enough AND the rewards arent good enough why do people do it?

[AvoSturmfaust]

Didnt they not say that the Reward will be the same doesnt matter if you clear the highest or the lowest? and the highest is just for the people which want a challenge? so yea it doesnt need a extra special rewards, a minority will only be the ones which clear it anyway

[Zoreth]

Can you be more specific on what you think would be appropriate? I feel it ends up frustrating everyone, players and developers alike, when things are too vague. What are "good" rewards in your opinion? That can mean a ton of different things to a ton of different people. Cosmetics? Pets? Glamour? A mount? Gear? (If gear - what ilvl what seem fair to you?) Just saying "add good rewards" without any indication of what you feel are "good" isn't as helpful as I think you'd like it to be.

Glowing weapon uppgrade. An extra mount specifik for q40. Could be many things like glams for gear etc.

[Ajantisz]

That’s not what I said. I’m not against rewards. I’m saying if you only do content for rewards and hate the experience, maybe it’s worth asking why you’re doing it at all.

People often say “There’s no reason to do this without rewards,” but isn’t the time spent enjoying it a reward in itself? In real life, we do hobbies without external rewards all the time. I write books that’ll never be published and sometimes I hate what I wrote but the process is still more fulfilling than the lack of rewards/recognition it gives me. Games are the same. They’re hobbies. You don’t need a reward to justify doing something you enjoy.

By your logic a punch in the face would be acceptable reward for your hobbies because it is still a reward, because I say it is, and you got the journey to the punch too...Are you happy?