"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Supersnow845]

Pulling ahead of the tank endangers the whole party, which is griefing the whole party, simply because the person in question is impatient.

Pulling ahead of the party hasn’t been dangerous since cleric stance was a thing and since DPS have their own mitigation it’s actually a benefit to the tank

People who defend YPYT are so quick to point out about the tanks feelings that they ignore everyone else’s feelings on the matter. Though regardless letting some die is actually griefing, pulling ahead is not unless the other party members (not just the tank) specifically don’t want it

[BlisteringFrost]

Pulling ahead of the party hasn’t been dangerous since cleric stance was a thing and since DPS have their own mitigation it’s actually a benefit to the tank

People who defend YPYT are so quick to point out about the tanks feelings that they ignore everyone else’s feelings on the matter. Though regardless letting some die is actually griefing, pulling ahead is not unless the other party members (not just the tank) specifically don’t want it

Ignoring one persons feelings in lieu of "but everybody elses feelings!" is STILL a TOS violation, my duder.

[Supersnow845]

Ignoring one persons feelings in lieu of "but everybody elses feelings!" is STILL a TOS violation, my duder.

That can literally be flipped right around and go “if the tank is not acknowledging the DPS desire to pull more then the tank is unilaterally compelling a playstyle”; which is also exactly what YPYT is- go at my pace or die; so in a disagreement of playstyle that line is completely redundant and can’t be enforced either way

Regardless squares GM’s have openly said difference in playstyle is a valid reason to kick (I’m not even saying kick I’m just using it as an example), we have screenshots. Whereas YPYT is cut and dry, square considers it MPK

[BlisteringFrost]

That can literally be flipped right around and go “if the tank is not acknowledging the DPS desire to pull more then the tank is unilaterally compelling a playstyle”; which is also exactly what YPYT is- go at my pace or die; so in a disagreement of playstyle that line is completely redundant and can’t be enforced either way

Regardless squares GM’s have openly said difference in playstyle is a valid reason to kick (I’m not even saying kick I’m just using it as an example), we have screenshots. Whereas YPYT is cut and dry, square considers it MPK

Brother did not read the fine print at all lmao




If the tank actually, visibly says something along the lines of whatever can be interpreted, clearly, as YPYT mentality, which is harassment against others, then the tank is complying completely within the TOS to pull slowly, if that is their wish, and they are perfectly fine to say "no" if they are asked to pull faster. Saying no is not harassment. And kicking them for anything which is clearly defined by the Reasons For Dismissal, would constitute harassment against the tank.

[Supersnow845]

Brother did not read the fine print at all lmao

The fine print changes nothing about the point because the fine print deals directly with being rude about a suggestion in chat (such as saying your idea is ridiculous to someone offering an idea). This part of the TOS can’t apply to two people who have conflicting opinions about how to handle a game “mechanic” because under the letter of the TOS both have a right to report the other one and square has already said you can kick for difference in playstyle

If you applied this rule how you are imagining it can be applied then I could report someone for using too many medica 2’s in an alliance raid because they are conflicting with my desire to heal and I don’t agree they should be doing it with GCD heals. The actual scenario this would apply to is us dying to a raidwide and the WHM going “can I help here with medica 2” and me going “do you even mitigation, what a stupid suggestion”

[BlisteringFrost]

The fine print changes nothing about the point because the fine print deals directly with being rude about a suggestion in chat (such as saying your idea is ridiculous to someone offering an idea). This part of the TOS can’t apply to two people who have conflicting opinions about how to handle a game “mechanic” because under the letter of the TOS both have a right to report the other one and square has already said you can kick for difference in playstyle

If you applied this rule how you are imagining it can be applied then I could report someone for using too many medica 2’s in an alliance raid because they are conflicting with my desire to heal and I don’t agree they should be doing it with GCD heals. The actual scenario this would apply to is us dying to a raidwide and the WHM going “can I help here with medica 2” and me going “do you even mitigation, what a stupid suggestion”

Google is such an incredible tool.

[Supersnow845]

Google is such an incredible tool.

Are you really quoting Google AI at me

https://share.google/ik84vXFiyPGa88B34

Remember next time you make a pizza you add a cup of glue to ensure that the cheese doesn’t slide off the pizza

[Yeonhee]

Google is such an incredible tool.

You pretty much shot yourself in the foot, here. A DPS pulling is no problem for the party unless both the healer and the tank are absolutely garbage at their role. A tank refusing to do his job because of sheer ego however IS a direct detriment to the party.

As a side note, I will have to agree with Supersnow here that using an AI telling you to add glue to your pizza isn't really something I would use as a reference.

[Grimforth]

Google is such an incredible tool.

lol just...stop. It's already set in stone that you're someone who pretends to know what they're talking about when they don't know anything. And that fact that you had to use google AI proves that.

You had use AI to win an argument.