"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Arrius]

Ulrimately it may just be another symptom of toxic individualism, where everyone just sees everyone as a means to an end with no courtesy, and setting personal experience above other players.
This can be seen in all facettes of the game, especially on NA servers.

It is definitely a east vs west thing in terms of attitude.
And that's why JP has better clears in general than everyone else - They put the *us* first, work on themselves to improve and are patient, while toxic individualism, "go go go" and fingerpointing on wipes runs crazy here.

[Sunhwapark]

Ulrimately it may just be another symptom of toxic individualism, where everyone just sees everyone as a means to an end with no courtesy.

I suppose that makes sense, considering that in the game we can run into tanks that suffer from "OT only syndrome" and will NOT turn their stance on ever, but on the flipside - having people that MUST be the MT or they will have a provoke fight, and no, having 5+ vuln stacks & brink of death will not stop them...

Diverse community at least, haha.

[BlisteringFrost]

I suppose that makes sense, considering that in the game we can run into tanks that suffer from "OT only syndrome" and will NOT turn their stance on ever, but on the flipside - having people that MUST be the MT or they will have a provoke fight, and no, having 5+ vuln stacks & brink of death will not stop them...

Diverse community at least, haha.

That's why I just voke right back when I see it. They couldn't out-damage me to begin with. A little ego checking is always funny.

[Grimforth]

I suppose that makes sense, considering that in the game we can run into tanks that suffer from "OT only syndrome" and will NOT turn their stance on ever, but on the flipside - having people that MUST be the MT or they will have a provoke fight, and no, having 5+ vuln stacks & brink of death will not stop them...

Diverse community at least, haha.

This reminds me of when I queue WOD as tank. Made it to the 3rd boss and one of the other tanks got pissy at me because they thought I was voking when I was simply generating more enmity. Had to turn off defiance for about 5 sec so I could at least stay in 2nd. Ego check failed.

[jesseleewelch]

A bruise to the tanks ego is not griefing the entire party

Pulling ahead of the tank endangers the whole party, which is griefing the whole party, simply because the person in question is impatient.

[BlisteringFrost]

Pulling ahead of the tank endangers the whole party, which is griefing the whole party, simply because the person in question is impatient.

For the next excuse: "Okay then the tank should just go faster or we'll kick them for one who will!"

(Note: I am being facetious)

[ViinaS]

I mean.... you got two packs you gotta tank.
Cuz the dungeon makes you do that. If a Dps jumps ahead and brings the pack to me, fine.
If not then pop the sprint if you didn't already.

If the dps died before you could get to them cuz... dunno It's like a DNC that used all 3 dashes and then sits down and dies before you get there with sprint... their fault.

However if you go and feel hurt in your MC syndrom and go "you pull, you tank" then you are not tanking the mobs.
Which is your job.
Means you don't do your job.
Means you're a shit Tank.
Easy.

[Supersnow845]

Pulling ahead of the tank endangers the whole party, which is griefing the whole party, simply because the person in question is impatient.

Pulling ahead of the party hasn’t been dangerous since cleric stance was a thing and since DPS have their own mitigation it’s actually a benefit to the tank

People who defend YPYT are so quick to point out about the tanks feelings that they ignore everyone else’s feelings on the matter. Though regardless letting some die is actually griefing, pulling ahead is not unless the other party members (not just the tank) specifically don’t want it

[BlisteringFrost]

Pulling ahead of the party hasn’t been dangerous since cleric stance was a thing and since DPS have their own mitigation it’s actually a benefit to the tank

People who defend YPYT are so quick to point out about the tanks feelings that they ignore everyone else’s feelings on the matter. Though regardless letting some die is actually griefing, pulling ahead is not unless the other party members (not just the tank) specifically don’t want it

Ignoring one persons feelings in lieu of "but everybody elses feelings!" is STILL a TOS violation, my duder.

[Supersnow845]

Ignoring one persons feelings in lieu of "but everybody elses feelings!" is STILL a TOS violation, my duder.

That can literally be flipped right around and go “if the tank is not acknowledging the DPS desire to pull more then the tank is unilaterally compelling a playstyle”; which is also exactly what YPYT is- go at my pace or die; so in a disagreement of playstyle that line is completely redundant and can’t be enforced either way

Regardless squares GM’s have openly said difference in playstyle is a valid reason to kick (I’m not even saying kick I’m just using it as an example), we have screenshots. Whereas YPYT is cut and dry, square considers it MPK