New Player Etiquette

[TBerry]

I pull jack shit as DPS. 99% of my runs were everyone waiting for each other and have EVERYONE do their thing, including the tank pulling. You know, COMMON COURTESY!
People, don't let some egomanic distort your view. If in most cases the tank pulls, then that's what is happening and what's expected.
Don't let anyone push their playstyle as the only real style.

[Nyastra]

I pull jack shit as DPS. 99% of my runs were everyone waiting for each other and have EVERYONE do their thing, including the tank pulling. You know, COMMON COURTESY!
People, don't let some egomanic distort your view. If in most cases the tank pulls, then that's what is happening and what's expected.
Don't let anyone push their playstyle as the only real style.

It's apparently not as common to just be nice. I've been playing for 7 years, and every time I do run ahead of the tank (not to pull, but to guide them) I stop short of pulling aggro and, guess what, wait. To this day it has not killed me to go a little slower. But apparently it will harm the majority of players. I guess.

[TBerry]

It's apparently not as common to just be nice. I've been playing for 7 years, and every time I do run ahead of the tank (not to pull, but to guide them) I stop short of pulling aggro and, guess what, wait. To this day it has not killed me to go a little slower. But apparently it will harm the majority of players. I guess.

Yes, that's what I mean.
It baffles me that not being OPTIMAL ALL THE TIME is such a big no-no.

[Asari5]

as easier soemthing gets as more do people expect others to play optimally.

its a result of monotone dungeon design, limited pulls, easy rotations, non existent aggro management and an over the top accessibility to heals and mitigations.

not saying this is good or bad but its just how quite a few humans are

[Nyastra]

Yes, that's what I mean.
It baffles me that not being OPTIMAL ALL THE TIME is such a big no-no.

Because half the player base lives this game more than they do real life, I too would like to not have spent 30 minutes in the latest Trial, but alas, I did. And my life wasn't all that much different. If the game isn't fun then stop playing? Why does this have to be a second job? I don't get it. So stupid. I had so many patient people that guided me when I started, who allowed me to learn and make mistakes, what happened to that? Now it's just how dare you not know how to play the game OPTIMALLY from day 1.

And I get it, my game time is limited because of my IRL obligations, I'm lucky if I get two hours of game time a night. But I'm not taking away the learning experience from someone else just because I have ants and can't wait 5 extra minutes.

[TBerry]

Because half the player base lives this game more than they do real life, I too would like to not have spent 30 minutes in the latest Trial, but alas, I did. And my life wasn't all that much different. If the game isn't fun then stop playing? Why does this have to be a second job? I don't get it. So stupid. I had so many patient people that guided me when I started, who allowed me to learn and make mistakes, what happened to that? Now it's just how dare you not know how to play the game OPTIMALLY from day 1.

And I get it, my game time is limited because of my IRL obligations, I'm lucky if I get two hours of game time a night. But I'm not taking away the learning experience from someone else just because I have ants and can't wait 5 extra minutes.

30 minutes sucks. But, like, you have good days and bad days.
You are glad it's over, and you move on. Sometimes playing with randos sucks, sometimes it's great.

I did Badam's Meddle the other day. The tank had to pull small because undergeared. Healer said it's fine, Tank sets the pace. We had a smooth run nonetheless, except failing at the 2nd trial on the second boss because we collectively derped.

[BlisteringFrost]

Nope. Never going to understand the mindset of speed running everything.

Dawg. You're playing a video game. And a video game that isn't even built with it in mind as a thing. Like Metroid, or Hollow Knight. Why even play if your goal is to stop doing anything as soon as possible? You're literally playing a video game to waste your time. Crying "my time is wasted if I don't do this faster!" is like putting clown make up on yourself and saying you're the God Emperor of Humanity.

If I wanna speed run I'ma just boot up Metroid Dread. Or git gud at Hollow Knight so I can speed-run that. I'm not on an MMO to put it back down as fast as possible, I'm there to chew the fat.

[Yeonhee]

Nope. Never going to understand the mindset of speed running everything.

Dawg. You're playing a video game. And a video game that isn't even built with it in mind as a thing. Like Metroid, or Hollow Knight. Why even play if your goal is to stop doing anything as soon as possible? You're literally playing a video game to waste your time. Crying "my time is wasted if I don't do this faster!" is like putting clown make up on yourself and saying you're the God Emperor of Humanity.

If I wanna speed run I'ma just boot up Metroid Dread. Or git gud at Hollow Knight so I can speed-run that. I'm not on an MMO to put it back down as fast as possible, I'm there to chew the fat.

That's a pretty garbage take, ngl. When you do the same dungeon for the 150th time, of course you want to get it done as fast as possible. If at 7.4, devs put up a dungeon where you have to battle groups of mobs for a whole hour before gaining access to the last boss, I'm pretty sure you - and pretty much everyone - won't like that. Yet you're playing a videogame to waste time, isn't it ? Why would you complain ?

[BlisteringFrost]

That's a pretty garbage take, ngl. When you do the same dungeon for the 150th time, of course you want to get it done as fast as possible. If at 7.4, devs put up a dungeon where you have to battle groups of mobs for a whole hour before gaining access to the last boss, I'm pretty sure you - and pretty much everyone - won't like that. Yet you're playing a videogame to waste time, isn't it ? Why would you complain ?

I just tune it out. If I don't wanna do Alliance Roulette. Then I choose to not do it.

It's not that deep.

[Yeonhee]

I just tune it out. If I don't wanna do Alliance Roulette. Then I choose to not do it.

It's not that deep.

Blocking yourself to the most profitable roulette because devs decided to do something stupid isn't really the answer here. Nonetheless, dungeons are designed to be speedrunned. SE gave up a while ago about making dungeon actually different and "kinda" interesting. 95% dungeons after ARR are pretty much two groups of mobs > wall > two groups of mobs > wall > boss x3. Even the bosses mechanics go from laughable to non-existant (Hello Endwalker). You cannot really blame players for wanting to get it done fast when even the devs gave up on dungeons and design them to be speedrunned.