Post Your Complete Garuda Weapon Set!

[Rydin]

Just lol. That's all you get.

hahaha... we have fun on these forums.

[Denmo]

[ChickNorris]

Nothing changes.

Yeah, nothing changes like how The Dreamers quests are required to complete my tracker even though they are not availble. They stare me in the eye everytime I update my pad...and it NEVER CHANGES.

Oh, you meant this...umm, okay. My thoughts are as follows:

1. Moogle had an exploit. Death wins. Remember? Some people used them, some called them things, some wanted the drops.

2. Cheating at an MMO is like cheating at solitare.

3. Its my birthday and im in Vegas and I just woke up from like 4 hours sleep from an all night crazed zerg on life. As far as I can tell, I am about 2k up and I was going to logon game on my laptop while we wait for room service, but I just can't be bothered.

4. Being just contaminates the void.

[Kaeko]

This goes back to a very old circular argument ever-present in XI.

Nothing in the world is black and white, and the same holds true for the MMO world as well. People have varied opinions; however, the group who decides whether something interesting is an example of exploitation vs. smart optimization is ultimately SE and SE alone. We as the XI/XIV community argue on the forums, but we all have varied opinions. The only one that matters is SE's b/c they are in charge of game balance. If they deemed this BLM burn idea legit, a lot of people would be frustrated, but it would be legit. Best example I can think of for this is Utsusemi tanking in XI. Far more broken than half the stuff they deemed exploit in XI but they let it be and it became common / required strategy.

To the minority of the community that actually pushes and comes up with these crazy min-max ideas like the BLM burn Garuda idea, it's not about some raging philosophical argument about game balance and exploits - it's simply about min-maxing and pushing the current mechanics of the game. We do, then let SE decide if this is exemplary strategy vs. an exploit needing a patch. It's a very necessary aspect of the community because SE cannot be 100% in catching these in testing. They rely on players to push the boundaries, then they react accordingly to preserve game balance.

Now to play devil's advocate here. The real interesting philosophical discussion here should not be if this Garuda burn is an 'exploit' or not, but instead how would you feel if Legacy had done this, hidden it and farmed the crap out of it at their leisure for 3 months, then told everyone? Now that's an interesting discussion. Spoken like a true XI LM-17 I guess.

[viion]

You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.

And that is exactly it, "95% dont want to do it the legit way", why you think that is? You're missing something very big here =)

Plus what you see exploitable is not what I see exploitable, this is no different than zerging Kirin in XI.

It is a Strategy, weather you like to see it like that or not, if a country wants to invade another do they do it in a fair legit way? No, they time everything right, exploit anything they can, and nothing is pretty pictures.

Sure, it is an exploit, that does not mean it is not a strategy, even a "legit way" you will exploit something, will you exploit wind element and put wind resistance on, exploit its positioning and hide behind it, exploit plume aoe by standing far away, yada yada, everything to anti something is exploiting its weakness end of day.

As far harder fights, either you're listening to some loud people who dont speak for the majority or you're confusing this "tough fight" with something we asked for, the legit way is not really tough, its a matter of just surviving and standing in the right place in at the right time. Just like Ifrit and Chimera with "safe spots".

Yeah, nothing changes like how The Dreamers quests are required to complete my tracker even though they are not availble. They stare me in the eye everytime I update my pad...and it NEVER CHANGES..

Click the that says Add Quest to Ignore List, :/.

[Raikki]

And that is exactly it, "95% dont want to do it the legit way", why you think that is? You're missing something very big here =).

Then 95% of the playerbase will always choose loot over challenge because they're lazy. It hadn't even been a week and people were complaining because they wanted free loot instead of something they had to work at. If most of the community can't handle a week or more of learning to beat new content then what they really need is separate baby content just for them to keep them occupied. Don't shit up what's supposed to be the hardest encounter in the game because of some people's overinflated sense of loot entitlement. Everyone should realize from what happened with Ifrit and Moogle that this will be made easier eventually. If you really need to beat new content right away, you should stop complaining about challenge and embrace it.

[viion]

Then 95% of the playerbase will always choose loot over challenge because they're lazy. It hadn't even been a week and people were complaining because they wanted free loot instead of something they had to work at. If most of the community can't handle a week or more of learning to beat new content then what they really need is separate baby content just for them to keep them occupied. Don't shit up what's supposed to be the hardest encounter in the game because of some people's overinflated sense of loot entitlement. Everyone should realize from what happened with Ifrit and Moogle that this will be made easier eventually. If you really need to beat new content right away, you should stop complaining about challenge and embrace it.

I get your point and I kind of agree with you, but "Loot" is not the goal.

Think about it, you can die easily doing it and you have to wait 15 minutes even on a loss, and the strategy only shaves off a few minutes. The amount of losses you can get just ups the amount of loss chances at weapon.

If you did it legit, you could pretty much 100% guarantee a win, and you only need to do it 140 times to be 7/7, which is going to happen very fast weather you use this exploit or not. The legit videos are all under 10 minutes kill time.

It is just, an easy strategy once you meet the strict requirements. Its a "safe spot" strategy, like Ifrit.

A lot of people know how to do it legit, my entire LS did it legit before this came about, this is just more preferred because the legit way isnt harder, it isnt more challenging, it isnt even more fun and it is kind of a drag+cluster fuck XD so they prefer to do it like this.

It is kind of more fun for some, I find it more fun this way! XD

[Majidah]

Can we make this thread about how the OP has his exp bar and clock on the lower right?

[Raikki]

The legit way isnt harder, it isnt more challenging, it isnt even more fun and it is kind of a drag+cluster fuck XD so they prefer to do it like this.

We both know that's not true. Countless LS's can't beat the fight legit and are farming it via BLM burn.

[Majidah]

We both know that's not true. Countless LS's can't beat the fight legit and are farming it via BLM burn.

wait, BLM burning isn't legit? that's how I do ifrit and moogle, because fuck if I'm going to struggle when I need to beat it like 90 times.