P8S is still very frustrating to run

[Shistar]

I don't know. I know I suck, it's always my fault we wipe. It feels like there's a target on my head now

People will blacklist you for anything ranging from being the cause of all the wipes to not liking something you said or your glam. It really doesn't mean anything... but if you're the cause of the wipe and you're aware of it, take the steps to ensure you're not making the same mistakes again.

I did report both cases, but they haven't confirmed anything yet. I mentioned I struggle with mental health issues, the situation there isn't really happening. I didn't get any reason for the 2nd time being black listed, the raid hadn't even begun, we were still forming the party, then I was kicked for no reason. Then couldn't rejoin the party. Just strange that this happened. Really the first time it was just a comment, this 2nd time it was straight up, no questioning or telling.

People can do whatever they want with their PFs at the end of the day. Just like you are free to join or leave whenever you please, they do not require to explain to you why they want you to leave. They could have looked at your logs and decided they didn't want to play with you, someone could have told them about running into you before, or maybe they just kicked you to make space for their friend who wanted to join last minute. You truly can't know.

But people going around telling others to blacklist him is against the rules because it falls under naming and shaming and it's part of FF14's player harassment policy.

As people in this thread have said, unsyncing old savage for mounts is not something that has vaste amounts of players in it, at some point OP will probably have met them all and at that point it's not someone spreading rumors about OP, it's just everyone has seen OP in action.

This is the long and short of it. OP, I wish you the best of luck learning the fight. One piece of advice that I have for you: the MYDB (Mind Your Damn Business) strat: Focus on what you and only you need to do. What the melee is doing or possibly messing up is none of your business. The off-tank's position is none of your business. All that noise, all that knowledge you currently don't need, throw it away. You must laser focus on what you need to get done, and nothing else. Choose one role and learn that one role's positions.

I'll assume you're going as SMN, so only learn R1 and R2. Nothing else. You don't need to know anything else. It's just clutter in your brain that makes it harder for you to solve the mechs, I promise. Once you got your positions down you can begin to look at what others are doing or need to do. Never base or depend on someone else getting it right for you to not mess up, mostly because you can't know if the guy you're depending on knows his stuff or not. You must be able to (or at least know how to) solve your part of the mechanics independently of everyone else when you're PFing.

Don't get me wrong. I perfectly understand the feeling of worthlesness that comes when you are the cause of a wipe. But you don't stop feeling that way when you find out the reason you are blacklisted. You will only stop feeling this way once you prove to yourself that you can do the mechanics and get your clear, and you can do it. You got this far, now finish it! I'm rooting for you!

[Mr_Vain_]

In terms of rule breaking, yes, there is. But Square wasn't willing to go into the /tell because that seemed to be where the first case started. It was literally them messaging someone in the party saying "He can't do this mechanic." and then that was reflected, then that player left for reason: "Duty calls" which I take to mean something else entirely. Then I kick myself out of that group because obviously I'm a burden.
The 2nd case, I was the only healer, and the group remained up after I was kicked, no other healers. It didn't fill as far as I can tell so probably didn't get a group in the end. I couldn't /tell through the PF because I kept getting an error. I looked up what could cause this, the first thing is blacklisting. I only recognized one player in that group, but didn't remember the others. And because /tell is broken, I can't even ask the others what happened let alone defend myself.

I started with SMN but nobody's playing healer so I had to fill that role, and have stuck to it, it's actually easier than other roles, I play AST for faster rezzing, have managed to save groups after NA to get into High Concept. Which makes the prior claim all the stranger?

[Mr_Vain_]

Someone not wanting to play with you and using the blacklist and PF to avoid you is not against the rules. You cant force someone to play with you.

Wasn't the issue here. I don't want toxic players in the group, I always felt out of place in those types of group, ironically it's probably players from those that are telling players to blacklist me. First ever group I did had a bad experience (I have prior posts related to this) and it absolutely broke me because it was my first time, we got to high concept several times and did the mechanics well.

Also that quote in your footer had to made me do a double take, I thought someone made that towards me before realizing what your name was.

[RenkoBernkastel]

How do you know what other people talk about in /tell? How do you know people systematically blacklist you? Idk all of this sounds like a lot of reaching to me. Especially after you yourself saying your groups wipe because you keep messing up. Idk, if I was farming something and someone wipes me multiple times in a row, I'd also leave and blacklist. Chaotic CoD nearly filled my blacklist with the amount of prog liars were out there... kinda hyperbole but also kinda the truth
Also, I'm sorry but "after 5 tries it gets frustrating" and "it takes too long to get this mount." Maybe the mount just isn't for you then. Or PF isn't for you. Maybe try to find a FC to do it with, I know lots of FC's that organise mount farm events. Or look up the recruitment discord and look for people who are more patient. Seems more productive than reporting someone who blocked you. Like, what do you even expect from reporting them? That a GM makes them play with you? Not how this works.

[Mr_Vain_]

How do you know what other people talk about in /tell? How do you know people systematically blacklist you? Idk all of this sounds like a lot of reaching to me. Especially after you yourself saying your groups wipe because you keep messing up. Idk, if I was farming something and someone wipes me multiple times in a row, I'd also leave and blacklist. Chaotic CoD nearly filled my blacklist with the amount of prog liars were out there... kinda hyperbole but also kinda the truth
Also, I'm sorry but "after 5 tries it gets frustrating" and "it takes too long to get this mount." Maybe the mount just isn't for you then. Or PF isn't for you. Maybe try to find a FC to do it with, I know lots of FC's that organise mount farm events. Or look up the recruitment discord and look for people who are more patient. Seems more productive than reporting someone who blocked you. Like, what do you even expect from reporting them? That a GM makes them play with you? Not how this works.

Not sure if it was /tell, given it was a later joiner, I assumed it was just another random Party Finder player. And now I think about it, it was probably the Warrior that messaged them first.

With the rest of your reply, it sounds like you're causing more problems than solving. I'm not so quick to dismiss someone for messing up mechanics, when it may very well be my fault. How do you know it's not you messing up the mechanics? This was the mindset that actually made me fall out with the World of Warcraft community. I was a toxic idiot for years in various communities. After a certain point, I began to realize the same things kept occurring. Always someone else's fault and not my own. And I didn't know what anyone else was going through. They could be having a serious mental health crisis, or IRL emergencies (Note: not always in the same day, they can span weeks), or maybe a the cat decided to play the game for them, or a pet hydra. I changed my ways, learnt to stop pushing the blame onto players, do constructive criticism, and be more friendly overall. It'd do this community a massive amount of good.

[RenkoBernkastel]

How do you know it's not you messing up the mechanics?

Huh? The game usually makes it very clear if you mess up a mechanic. You either get a damage down or a vuln stack or you just hit the floor. That's a good indicator for when you did something wrong.
I honestly don't even know how to answer that. I DO know when I mess up a mechanic. And after learning a fight I also know when I don't mess up a mechanic. You make it sound like I said I'm holier than thou and never make a mistake when in reality I'm the first one to admit that we just wiped because I was in the wrong place. The only mistake I'm not making here is joining farm parties without knowing the fight.

I consider my own time fairly valuable, so if I want to farm something, I kinda wanna progress towards that goal and not wipe to the same thing over and over again because someone keeps messing it up. Wiping every now and again during a farm is fine, but repeatedly to the same thing? Nah man, that's wasting my and everyone elses time. I assume most other people consider their time equally valuable.

And about the first sentence in your reply... ye you know nothing about what anyone said, you're just making assumptions. I don't see any proof here about anyone conspiring against you.

[Mr_Vain_]

Huh? The game usually makes it very clear if you mess up a mechanic. You either get a damage down or a vuln stack or you just hit the floor. That's a good indicator for when you did something wrong.
I honestly don't even know how to answer that. I DO know when I mess up a mechanic. And after learning a fight I also know when I don't mess up a mechanic. You make it sound like I said I'm holier than thou and never make a mistake when in reality I'm the first one to admit that we just wiped because I was in the wrong place. The only mistake I'm not making here is joining farm parties without knowing the fight.


And about the first sentence in your reply... ye you know nothing about what anyone said, you're just making assumptions. I don't see any proof here about anyone conspiring against you.

I know that. I only get them in Phase 1 at the moment. Phase 2 I don't usually see it because everything kills in one hit, so there's no learning from mistakes there.

That's good you're admitting to mistakes, it's a step in the right direction. Ideally you should only be using your blacklist for toxic/exploitative players, not those who can't understand mechanics. I have learning difficulties, I don't doubt I'd be on your blacklist for messing up a mechanic. Not being given the time to learn is detrimental, there are plenty of players who learn slower than me somehow.

I have videos of proof of possible conspiring. Not sure if YouTube links are allowed here highlighting players names? The recent case is harder to get evidence for since I was just kicked and unable to rejoin the party finder.

[RenkoBernkastel]

Ideally I'm using my blacklist however I like. I don't blacklist players for not understanding mechanics, I blacklist players for joining farm parties without understanding mechanics. There is a difference. One is a prog party where wiping is to be expected, the other one is a farm party where wiping is meant to be the exception.

[Mr_Vain_]

Ideally I'm using my blacklist however I like. I don't blacklist players for not understanding mechanics, I blacklist players for joining farm parties without understanding mechanics. There is a difference. One is a prog party where wiping is to be expected, the other one is a farm party where wiping is meant to be the exception.

That's stupidly unrealistic. Mistakes happen, and wipes happen. I've not touched high end content, but if my P8S runs and Wreath of Snakes (unreal) have been anything to go by, it's normal to mess up mechanics you understand. Because we're still human at the end of the day. That should take priority over your trivial gain.

[Terhix]

(...) I've not touched high end content, but if my P8S runs and Wreath of Snakes (unreal) have been anything to go by, (...)

Friend, Wreath of Snakes is one of the easiest Extremes in the game, P8S is one of the most difficult Savage fights in the game. Doing it unsynced makes the fight easier by allowing you to skip mechanics, but the mechanics you have to do are still very difficult, and unlike phase 1 where half the raid can be on the floor multiple times and it's still recoverable, phase 2 is unforgiving. You cannot outgear Natural Alignment, and you definitely cannot outgear High Concept. Maybe next tier we will be able to skip High Concept, but that is not today, and there is no amount of gear that will make you live through it if a single person makes a mistake during the mechanic - it's a pure body check, can't attack the boss, everything is personal responsibility. If you went into this expecting an easy time because the fight is unsynced, you need to stop looking at other people for blame and severely hone down your expectations.

I've done P8S unsynced with multiple groups, some for weapon glam and mounts, some for TOP unlocks, and even groups stacked with people with savage experience struggle on NA+HC and usually require at least a lockout of practice. Make your own PF, say it's practice, be honest about your level of experience and that you might need help and people to be patient, if possible try to find some helpers who can get you on voice comms for NA callouts. Heck, instead of arguing with people here about what is or isn't toxic and what is or isn't appropriate use of blacklist, why don't you just ask for help? I'm on light, I can help.