On "Infringing upon Others" and "Negatively impacting design"

[Valence]

Did you bring your complains to FFlogs or tomestone?

Do you think they'd be receptive to the concerns (honestly asking)?

Also I'd be quite curious to know how you'd proceed? Do I show up on their discords that are probably choke full of diehard fans of the websites, and expose my concerns? Or do I ask to talk with a manager? I'm sorry but this sounds a little masochistic.

If transparency bothers you, you can just hide your logs.

And you'd be missing the point by miles.

One of the major issues is FF14 community has a problem with motivating mastery of the game. While everyone is super friendly and nice to sprouts and casual players, the same can not be said on the other end of the scale, that is a problem for long term play. The "bragging rights" and reward for completing the most difuclt challenge is something that is not given its respect in this community as much as other MMO's, the ledgend title and its weapons should be seen as something to inspire to be one day but instead people just mock it while using a mod to take those rewards for themsevles with a smug superiority of beating the system. Taking and cheapening the rewards for mastering the game is negative for motivating people to engage with it for the long term to chase those rewards and have pride in overcoming those challenges.

They already crack down on RMT for run selling and gil selling to also try and combat this since it does cheapen the bragging rights of those items if you can just buy them? While the MSQ gets people in the door, it takes less than a month to finish, so there needs to be something to chase for the rest of the time you are subbed, you have to seek challenge somehow without gatekeeping content. One thing they could do is make content time limited so that the grandfathered prestige takes over but again, mods that get around that also ruins all motivation to chase such things.

The Ff14 community is terrible at patting people on the back for their achievements but very good at ripping people down over their insecurities of performance in the game.

I am actually confused by this statement. Everybody I know that has cleared an ultimate was met genuinely with cheers and congratulations by everyone around. Never have I seen anyone actually being a wet blanket when reacting to such announcements. What more do you want, people kneeling down every time they draw out their ultimate weapons?

[Aravell]

I am actually confused by this statement. Everybody I know that has cleared an ultimate was met genuinely with cheers and congratulations by everyone around. Never have I seen anyone actually being a wet blanket when reacting to such announcements. What more do you want, people kneeling down every time they draw out their ultimate weapons?

I think they meant a more general community thing where a lot of people make blanket statements like "everyone who owns an ultimate weapon cheated for it" or "people who do savage probably cheat". While there is genuine congratulations when people clear, there are also a lot of people who look down on anyone who clears harder content as cheaters and diminish their effort in getting a clear.

[Kaurhz]

I mean,

This is technically not wrong, though you are first and foremost likely to be reported and sanctioned for harassment, which I think is a lot easier to moderate than something like Mare, so it is easier just to go after the tool in that instance, since you can't actually moderate what people are doing with it (since they can't see it).

That being said, I do think that FFLogs should be an opt-in tool rather than an opt-out, especially if the rationale for using it is 'self-improvement'.

[BlisteringFrost]

I am actually confused by this statement. Everybody I know that has cleared an ultimate was met genuinely with cheers and congratulations by everyone around. Never have I seen anyone actually being a wet blanket when reacting to such announcements. What more do you want, people kneeling down every time they draw out their ultimate weapons?

I can actually add to this one. You're not wrong, but you're not completely correct here. I'm one of those Novice Network weirdos so the two that are my usual stomping grounds both, generally, gave me gg's and gratz's for clearing UWU when I finally got around to it and had a totem to present for my effort. Most people gave me praise. Was I showing off? Sure, you can think what you will about that, these two networks culture is OK with allowing that kind of behavior as long as it isn't getting in the way of helping somebody so it doesn't really matter if someone dislikes the fact I was showboating a lil bit in NN of all places.

But a few people, let's just say.... if I had to give you a estimate, about 4 out of 10, were insinuating I bought the clear. Whatever the reason is, I know for certain personally but am not obligated to clarify why exactly, they chose to lambast me for clearing an ultimate instead. No. So like I said, you're half right here.