On "Infringing upon Others" and "Negatively impacting design"

[Its_Kazzy_D]

They can't be opt-in. If they were they'd be a free list of players who break the ToS lol

Not necessarily, as you can be console-only and still appear on FF logs.

[Yukimin]

I wouldn't mind FFlogs shutting down.

[tsuchii]

Cherry picking

[Wyssahtyn]

"sharing visual mods negatively affects bragging rights for players that ran an ultimate"

so that means they're going to crack down on the run selling right? because that does much more damage to the perceived 'prestige' of these glowstick weapons than using a plugin to sync with someone else ever would.

[Gurgeh]

I do think tombstone.gg is a several leagues too far, and that site should be scrapped. Its just a bad-attitude, a bad ethos, kind of a poison really.

I also think that if fflogs had any decency they'd make all characters private by default, opt-in not opt-out, and they should either
* commit to reducing to anonymous the activity in all logs of characters who are not opted in. Doing this by replacing all activity with a generic DPS/HEAL value. Details only available to the uploader.
* or any but public viewing of any log that features a character not opted in. Again if you want to be rank #1, and publicly recognised, your going to have to find a static that agrees.

That said, I have found that as long as I avoid discord organised events, that fflogs isn't a problem though.

So I guess fflogs is only a problem for people who think there should be more Chaotic raids like CoD, and raids like FT. Personally I don't care if CoD remains so unpopular they never do another one, same for FT. So keep your fflogs as is as far as I am 'hypothetically' concerned.

Actually scrap what I said earlier.

@fflogs, its not hard.
"Parse" the log when its uploaded, and just permanently delete the 'name' of any player that is not opted in.
You don't have to do it live. Just keep the log private until you can process it.
There is no reason this is not computationally reasonable given what fflogs already provides.

[TaleraRistain]

Not being facetious with this. What action do you want SE to take against outside websites? I do think your point is valid but what action do you want from SE?

[Batbrat]

I think this is fair. I don't know much about FFlogs, but I DO know that I've seen people in-game absolutely freak out because they didn't want a bad score to show up on it because they didn't want to be excluded from groups and or made fun of about it. I also remember that it tracks everyone by default and forces you to opt out, which is always stupid. It should always be opt in, not opt out-I don't get why people who make things like this never understand anything about consent. "well they cant do that because-" yes they can. I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to make this whole entire big widely-known website tracking program, but then all the sudden too stupid to figure out how to not force it on everyone in the entire game? "well but if they did that, then that would make those who opt in look-" they'll look exactly like what they are in actuality. Is that a bad thing? Does it feel bad or something?
If they cant make it opt-in, just send a C&D over. Wouldn't be hard to gather evidence against it-in fact, they make it abundantly easy.

As for tomestone, no idea what that is, but if its another weirdo "you're all in this by default" then sling a C&D over that way too. I see no reason for C&D's to stop at just these 2 last things. Go full throttle, weed out as much as possible before 8.0.

[Bryson]

FFlogs and Tomestone aren't something that stays at the individual level

If transparency bothers you, you can just hide your logs.

[Yumarox]

One of the major issues is FF14 community has a problem with motivating mastery of the game. While everyone is super friendly and nice to sprouts and casual players, the same can not be said on the other end of the scale, that is a problem for long term play. The "bragging rights" and reward for completing the most difuclt challenge is something that is not given its respect in this community as much as other MMO's, the ledgend title and its weapons should be seen as something to inspire to be one day but instead people just mock it while using a mod to take those rewards for themsevles with a smug superiority of beating the system. Taking and cheapening the rewards for mastering the game is negative for motivating people to engage with it for the long term to chase those rewards and have pride in overcoming those challenges.

They already crack down on RMT for run selling and gil selling to also try and combat this since it does cheapen the bragging rights of those items if you can just buy them? While the MSQ gets people in the door, it takes less than a month to finish, so there needs to be something to chase for the rest of the time you are subbed, you have to seek challenge somehow without gatekeeping content. One thing they could do is make content time limited so that the grandfathered prestige takes over but again, mods that get around that also ruins all motivation to chase such things.

The Ff14 community is terrible at patting people on the back for their achievements but very good at ripping people down over their insecurities of performance in the game.

[Kahnha]

I feel like the game's descending sub count and (probably) lower mogstation sales as a result, caused some shareholder to demand an explanation/scapegoat, and so they blamed the biggest mod on their radar, issued a C&D, and called it a day. Then people got pissed and began review bombing them on Steam, so they drafted this long winded letter to try and appease folks and provide these weird "definitely not profit driven" motives, and act like they were just out here doin' it for some sensitive raider that doesn't exist. but I'd bet you $20 that the C&D was reactionary and all of this is just more reactionary damage control.

Yeah the director's stance on modding has been the same from the start nothing profit driven on that however you hit it on the head

here's things they could have done to not be so hard pressed about cost.

1. They would have done forked tower right at the start.

2. They wouldn't have had the ninja gear with casting speed.

3. The trial they said would drop two totems would have dropped 2 totems out the gate no need for emergency maintenances.

4. The cash shop that they want us to buy from would only vend account wide items

5. 7.1 - .3 wouldn't have been cleaning up the mess that was 7.0 dawntrail.

6. punishments would have been handed out to individual tos breakers that were advertising mare and ERP clubs in shout chat

and even that would have saved them the so many people dropping 270k people lets say 30k left the game because mare that's 420k you lost because again poor management riound it down for fees etx so square lost 400k that is a lot of money to lose over wanting people to buy cash shop items they were getting at least 3million from mare users and they kicked the nest.

in the end The corp has wasted money on poor projects like FF16 and 7 remake so they turn around and say it is the mod communitie's fault for appearing to themselves in cash shop items the very few people that would do such things pretty sure a lot of those modders were taking the stuff off more than wearing vanilla cash shop outfits. The people that did not buy the cash shop items wouldn't have bought them anyway modders fault seems like such a weird cop out.

no I won't make any losing bets with you I may need the 20 for the sub they are trying to go up on lolol

to square you don't get to missmanage funds and then ask for money the tos breakers became a thing because your game does not have much customization