On "Infringing upon Others" and "Negatively impacting design"

[DiaDeem]

Does it make you mad?

No, I just don't understand why this needed its own thread.

If someone who wants to harass you will do it with or without ACT and/or your logs.
Have you noticed the numbers on a party that display in-game when you're in a boss fight? The higher the number, the better your damage is. If you're a DPS with a number below a healer or a tank, and someone wants to rub it in your face, that's all the information they need, and it's built into the game itself.

ACT by itself doesn't do anything to infringe on others. If you're getting harassed for whatever reason, you should always report it. The calculator itself isn't bad. Assholes will be assholes.

Because of this, and because there already was a thread about the official response, I found this thread redundant, but by all means: go at it if you want.

[Valence]

What numbers are you talking about? The enmity gauges in the party list? This is only viable to compare personal dps outputs between DPS classes.

[AvoSturmfaust]

No, I just don't understand why this needed its own thread.

If someone who wants to harass you will do it with or without ACT and/or your logs.
Have you noticed the numbers on a party that display in-game when you're in a boss fight? The higher the number, the better your damage is. If you're a DPS with a number below a healer or a tank, and someone wants to rub it in your face, that's all the information they need, and it's built into the game itself.

ACT by itself doesn't do anything to infringe on others. If you're getting harassed for whatever reason, you should always report it. The calculator itself isn't bad. Assholes will be assholes.

Because of this, and because there already was a thread about the official response, I found this thread redundant, but by all means: go at it if you want.

Not true

First of all its the Enmity List, so the possiblitly that Healer and Tanks are far ahead of you are 100%
You can only rank the DDs with it but even then :

you cant really judge your DPS with it, ´because there is more impact then you even imagine,
1. Gear - If there is Gear difference if course it will have impact on the DPS

2. Job Ranking - The Balance has an impact too, you cant as example expect if you play reaper to beat a samurai (when both know what to do) but then even if the reaper would beat the samu and the reaper is a place above the samu, doesnt mean the samu is bad it still could be :

3. Crit Luck

things you cant really see without a exactly number because after all you could be only 1 dps above or behind the other person.

So using the Enmity List as "DPS Meter" is the worst shit you could do, and usually is only done through people which actually doesnt know anything about it

[VerdeLuck]

No, enmity list is not the same as a DPS meter. No, you cannot recreate logs with the in game combat log and a calculator, no one does this. If it were viable they would do that instead of injection.

And the sites being default running on everyone affects people's personal enjoyment when it's used to beat new ones over the head with their performance and used as a measure of who is allowed in PFs for new content. FFLogs and Tombstone are a prime example of a mod that has gone so widespread people aren't even afraid to talk about using it and aren't afraid to use it against other players maliciously.

If Mare crossed the line, those sites definitely cross the line.

[DiaDeem]

Turns out I was wrong about the numbers!

My L


I still think jerks will be jerks regardless of the existence of a calculator or not, and that reports should be indiscriminate about harassment.

[DynnDiablos]

Folks realize you can block/opt out easily of /fflogs, right? I have for years. My DPS/performance is my business, and I don't do high-end content, so if someone is going to call out my DPS in a dungeon or alliance raid, my response is "sit and twist on a rusty thumbtack" to that foolishness.

[Bibine_Bine]

Pretty much the whole thing read as tone-deaf to me. I encourage you to read it yourself if you haven't (Yoshi-P literally said not to summarize it so as to not take it out of context) but there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how these mods work. It's not just public to everybody, you literally had to share a code with people you trust in order for them to see the mods that you have on. You'd have to be an idiot to just share that with randos. This doesn't diminish anything because obviously your friend knows you didn't really beat that Ultimate, duh. Same goes with nudie mods. If you're dumb and you share/take codes from someone you don't know and you see boobies, that's kind of on you dude.

The mogstation thing is whatever, that's pretty transparently SE breathing down the dev team's necks and making them talk about "please understand, small indie dev team, inflation, servers cost money, etc." in a lame attempt to justify the fact that this game has THREE separate methods of monetization.

[AmiableApkallu]

Folks realize you can block/opt out easily of /fflogs, right?

You cannot, actually. Not exactly, anyway. The only thing you can do is hide yourself from the search bar and rankings.

If someone can get to a log, and you were in the party, they'll still be able to learn that you were in the party and exactly how you performed.

[TeresaFortell]

If transparency bothers you, you can just hide your logs.

CMIIW, but aren’t your logs still being shown if someone else uploads a raid, and through theirs, people can see all party members’ logs, including yours? They just can’t directly see the information from your own character’s tab.

[BlisteringFrost]

No, enmity list is not the same as a DPS meter. No, you cannot recreate logs with the in game combat log and a calculator, no one does this. If it were viable they would do that instead of injection.

And the sites being default running on everyone affects people's personal enjoyment when it's used to beat new ones over the head with their performance and used as a measure of who is allowed in PFs for new content. FFLogs and Tombstone are a prime example of a mod that has gone so widespread people aren't even afraid to talk about using it and aren't afraid to use it against other players maliciously.

If Mare crossed the line, those sites definitely cross the line.

It's not against the TOS to talk about mods. It's against the TOS to actively advertise one.

Read it.