Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Its_Kazzy_D]

To be fair for me personally I loved the Endwalker relic method. I never complained about it. It was 1000x better than this crap.

Maybe this content isn't for you then, and that's fine! I feel it's important to note that the EW relics were the exception, not the rule. Every other relic has been a grind, even to this day.

[Ardeth]

Maybe this content isn't for you then, and that's fine! I feel it's important to note that the EW relics were the exception, not the rule. Every other relic has been a grind, even to this day.

I've done Heavensward and the ARR ones. And both had bad steps, but neither of them was this convoluted. The ARR one and subsequently the Heavensward ones were pretty straightforward. And even under the bullshit rng they had they never felt this bad to do. Maybe it was because the game was friendlier and more lively when Discord wasn't around, but OC sucks. Nobody is friendly it's a silent grind and out in the open world it's even more dead with even less socialization. Maybe that's the issue I don't know, but I do know this isn't fun. And nobody I ask besides people on the internet likes it. They all hate it, but like that it's only one step. So who knows? I don't know if the next step is more bullshit I am for sure done with it. You'll never see me complain about it again because I'll put it away completely and ignore this crap.

[Valence]

Maybe this content isn't for you then, and that's fine! I feel it's important to note that the EW relics were the exception, not the rule. Every other relic has been a grind, even to this day.

Don't like the relics? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like forked tower? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like Cosmic? maybe the content isn't for you then!
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Maybe the game isn't for you then? Just leave if you don't like it!

Yeah I don't know why leave any feedback?

[Poporito_Popoto]

Don't like the relics? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like forked tower? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like Cosmic? maybe the content isn't for you then!
...
Maybe the game isn't for you then? Just leave if you don't like it!

Yeah I don't know why leave any feedback?

Not sure why anyone would hang around in a game they don't enjoy playing.

[CCheshire]

Not sure why anyone would hang around in a game they don't enjoy playing.

I mean, that would make up like 90% of the biggest posters here, and the army of titanman maxed gathering alts that are in hiding.

Back on topic, I'm assured that SE will boost the step 1 demiatma drop rates like all the old relics steps have been boosted already. I just wanted to farm them so I'd have it ready for the 2nd step and a reason to visit OC in the first place after buying the big ship mount.

[Its_Kazzy_D]

Don't like the relics? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like forked tower? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like Cosmic? maybe the content isn't for you then!
...
Maybe the game isn't for you then? Just leave if you don't like it!

Yeah I don't know why leave any feedback?

This is quite disingenuous. Not all content is for everyone. I really don't like crafting or doing any of the content related to it so I just...don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with giving feedback and as long as it's sensible feedback I don't think people should be dogpiled for it. However, leaving feedback and having that content not be for you aren't mutually exclusive things; especially if the feedback is more less just "this sucks I don't like it" (which to be fair, is what most of the "feedback" on the forums seems to be these days). That being said, if you genuinely don't like anything in the game right now, then maybe the game is, in fact, not the game for you at the moment?

[theunhappypotato]

This is quite disingenuous. Not all content is for everyone. I really don't like crafting or doing any of the content related to it so I just...don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with giving feedback and as long as it's sensible feedback I don't think people should be dogpiled for it. However, leaving feedback and having that content not be for you aren't mutually exclusive things; especially if the feedback is more less just "this sucks I don't like it" (which to be fair, is what most of the "feedback" on the forums seems to be these days). That being said, if you genuinely don't like anything in the game right now, then maybe the game is, in fact, not the game for you at the moment?

sunk cost falacy maybe

[Valence]

This is quite disingenuous. Not all content is for everyone. I really don't like crafting or doing any of the content related to it so I just...don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with giving feedback and as long as it's sensible feedback I don't think people should be dogpiled for it. However, leaving feedback and having that content not be for you aren't mutually exclusive things; especially if the feedback is more less just "this sucks I don't like it" (which to be fair, is what most of the "feedback" on the forums seems to be these days). That being said, if you genuinely don't like anything in the game right now, then maybe the game is, in fact, not the game for you at the moment?

This is exactly the point I was making: the "not all content is for everyone" reply is seriously getting on my nerves by this point.

But I do agree with you, and perhaps we're just looking at two completely different types of feedback: I'm looking at all the people that have actually given meaningful negative feedback about it and have brought up so many good points about why "it sucks", while you're perhaps looking at all the ones that just said "it sucks I don't like it". Sure, ideally I'd like every piece of feedback to be constructed with actual arguments, but even the simple feedback that "it sucks" still means some people didn't like it, perhaps for valid reasons, perhaps not, and it should tell something about the content, especially when considering the valid points brought up by the other part of the playerbase dissatisfied with it.

And then when people aren't conveniently constantly ignoring all of the negative feedback with good points, they'll always revert back to "perhaps this content isn't for you then!". Give me a break. The actual reality is that some people want something a certain way, and some people want it another way, and that's about it. There is nobody having the right or wrong nor any superiority about it, and I'll fight tooth and nail to get something I do enjoy (how can anyone enjoy and defend that rng? I don't even know but heh, still have to actually read a single argument that makes sense to defend it). The difference is that the unlikely day I get what I like, I hope to remember having the decency not to shove "perhaps this isn't the type of content for you" into the face of people that don't like it.

If you think I don't like anything about the game right now, then you're projecting your fantasies. I would have left the game already if that was the case. And if you weren't addressing this to myself, then that's nothing more than a big strawman for the sake of making strawmen, I'm sorry.

[AmiableApkallu]

Don't like the relics? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like forked tower? Maybe the content isn't for you then!
Don't like Cosmic? maybe the content isn't for you then!
...
Maybe the game isn't for you then? Just leave if you don't like it!

Yeah I don't know why leave any feedback?

The serious answer: You leave feedback about {content} when you feel like {content} was intended for you, but it worked out poorly, or it worked out well, or it landed flat, etc. etc.

The problem is that it's sometimes difficult to determine which "{content} was intended for you."