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    Even mage burning takes some coordination and skill. It is still not zone in and auto win.

    Once that is patched, people will move on to the next easiest way to kill her.

    The only major significance of this fight is that you get a reward every time. Unlike Ifrit and Moogle where you don't know how many kills it will take until you are 7/7 at least with Garuda you know it will be no more then 140 kills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatdawg View Post
    Even mage burning takes some coordination and skill. It is still not zone in and auto win.
    It's tank and spank with an enrage timer. Sorry if that doesn't impress me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    It's tank and spank with an enrage timer. Sorry if that doesn't impress me.
    Wish it was as easy as it sounds.

    You need strict gear, people who don't suck, and concrete timing. You only have 90 seconds, countless times you will die with her on 1-2%, many people wiped trying to get it down just perfectly.

    Even with patch, whats the big deal? People will figure out the safe spots and the quickest classes and we back to square one, waste of time lol. Infact it would be faster if you just did legit runs than this because at least you can pretty much garauntee a win, where as this you cant. couple resists = instant loss, couple incorrect combo timings instant loss. etc

    Ah well, in the end it is a strategy, and we will then move onto the next stacking class quick kill strategy.

    Nothing changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    Wish it was as easy as it sounds.

    You need strict gear, people who don't suck, and concrete timing.

    couple resists = instant loss, couple incorrect combo timings instant loss. etc
    I've watched LS's hardcore BLM burn farm Garuda and never lose for hours on end. There's probably some big thing you're missing in your burn execution. Nevertheless, "tank and spank with an enrage timer" is still all it is. This isn't a strategy to beat the fight, it's a strategy to skip the fight and just get the loot. The real fight is everything after aerial blast and I can't imagine someone seriously denying that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    I've watched LS's hardcore BLM burn farm Garuda and never lose for hours on end. There's probably some big thing you're missing in your burn execution. Nevertheless, "tank and spank with an enrage timer" is still all it is. This isn't a strategy to beat the fight, it's a strategy to skip the fight and just get the loot. The real fight is everything after aerial blast and I can't imagine someone seriously denying that point.
    I feel we will just get into one of those "interweb arguements" that never ends, so opinions be opinions.

    I prefer this method, and sadly will see it gone as i find it much more fun than the cluster fuck that is the "normal strategy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    I feel we will just get into one of those "interweb arguements" that never ends, so opinions be opinions.

    I prefer this method, and sadly will see it gone as i find it much more fun than the cluster fuck that is the "normal strategy".
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    I also find it Contradictory when people say.."WE WANT HARDER CONTENT" but when they release harder content... and people find an exploit that makes x Fight easier.. and SE tries to fix it.. they like.. " SE WHY U CHANGE THIS".

    I love playing the game like the game was made for, Iffy, Moogle, Garuda are all Challenging fights.. that I want to fight them in a "Challenging" way, If someone tells me they found an exploit.. I just take the information.. but I won't use it unless the fight really becomes unbearable. However, if they are fixing an exploit.. then I'm all for that as well! =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    Too true~.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    And that is exactly it, "95% dont want to do it the legit way", why you think that is? You're missing something very big here =)

    Plus what you see exploitable is not what I see exploitable, this is no different than zerging Kirin in XI.

    It is a Strategy, weather you like to see it like that or not, if a country wants to invade another do they do it in a fair legit way? No, they time everything right, exploit anything they can, and nothing is pretty pictures.

    Sure, it is an exploit, that does not mean it is not a strategy, even a "legit way" you will exploit something, will you exploit wind element and put wind resistance on, exploit its positioning and hide behind it, exploit plume aoe by standing far away, yada yada, everything to anti something is exploiting its weakness end of day.

    As far harder fights, either you're listening to some loud people who dont speak for the majority or you're confusing this "tough fight" with something we asked for, the legit way is not really tough, its a matter of just surviving and standing in the right place in at the right time. Just like Ifrit and Chimera with "safe spots".

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickNorris View Post
    Yeah, nothing changes like how The Dreamers quests are required to complete my tracker even though they are not availble. They stare me in the eye everytime I update my pad...and it NEVER CHANGES..
    Click the that says Add Quest to Ignore List, :/.
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    Last edited by viion; 05-03-2012 at 07:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    Nothing changes.
    Yeah, nothing changes like how The Dreamers quests are required to complete my tracker even though they are not availble. They stare me in the eye everytime I update my pad...and it NEVER CHANGES.

    Oh, you meant this...umm, okay. My thoughts are as follows:

    1. Moogle had an exploit. Death wins. Remember? Some people used them, some called them things, some wanted the drops.

    2. Cheating at an MMO is like cheating at solitare.

    3. Its my birthday and im in Vegas and I just woke up from like 4 hours sleep from an all night crazed zerg on life. As far as I can tell, I am about 2k up and I was going to logon game on my laptop while we wait for room service, but I just can't be bothered.

    4. Being just contaminates the void.
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