Congratulations on the shutting down Crystal DC

[LenaTsuki]

Maybe if they add content then people could actually do it.
Or do you think running forked tower 100 times for a bad title is actually content?

Let's be honest, i've seen a bunch of people and i mean A BUNCH, not doing anything beside mare stuff, they don't do content at all, sometimes not even leveling or doing MSQ, they have only one glam in game cause they don't care about vanilla and just cared about mare.

At least now they will stop spamming my whispers about it

[Erzaa]

If your game survives only on 3rd party mods, then it should shut down

What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

[Nero-Voidstails]

What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

well they both aren't the same game but also Japan have legal laws against modding in general so I think it moved forward for two reason.

1. people became to cocky and paid the prices.


2. well legit the ERP animation made

[Erzaa]

well they both aren't the same game but also Japan have legal laws against modding in general so I think it moved forward for two reason.

1. people became to cocky and paid the prices.


2. well legit the ERP animation made

Yes, no argument here. Don't know what the laws in Japan are, I'll take your word for it.

I was more stressing the idea that a game that can't survive without a 3rd party tool somehow should die as being silly.

If that were the case, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines wouldn't be the classic it is today, if not for the Unofficial Patch. Same for Knights of the Old Republic 2. Skyrim wouldn't have been released with multiple editions without it's heavy mod support. And even GTA V and FiveM, the entire RP community in that. There's one in Red Dead Online as well. Conan Exiles.

There are many many examples of games that survived, just from the passion of hardworking modders.

With regard to 14, it is what it is. They're against ToS, they were in that grey are of "don't talk about them", players didn't listen, forced SE's hand. It's possible the new UK laws (EU next year as it seems also), had a hand in it as well.

[KitiaraIornsight]

Yes, no argument here. Don't know what the laws in Japan are, I'll take your word for it.

I was more stressing the idea that a game that can't survive without a 3rd party tool somehow should die as being silly.

If that were the case, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines wouldn't be the classic it is today, if not for the Unofficial Patch. Same for Knights of the Old Republic 2. Skyrim wouldn't have been released with multiple editions without it's heavy mod support. And even GTA V and FiveM, the entire RP community in that. There's one in Red Dead Online as well. Conan Exiles.

There are many many examples of games that survived, just from the passion of hardworking modders.

With regard to 14, it is what it is. They're against ToS, they were in that grey are of "don't talk about them", players didn't listen, forced SE's hand. It's possible the new UK laws (EU next year as it seems also), had a hand in it as well.

Those games don't have it explicitly spelled out that it is AGAINST THE TOS TO MOD.
Just because other games with online components allow it doesn't mean all do. Everyone who signed up for this game agreed to the TOS regardless of if they read them are not, and at some point everyone in game has been told NEVER TALK ABOUT MODDING.

[Erzaa]

Those games don't have it explicitly spelled out that it is AGAINST THE TOS TO MOD.
Just because other games with online components allow it doesn't mean all do. Everyone who signed up for this game agreed to the TOS regardless of if they read them are not, and at some point everyone in game has been told NEVER TALK ABOUT MODDING.

Not the point I was making. Please, reading comprehension.

I didn't say anything about the mods being in favour of ToS or not, I even specified that SE merely enforced their ToS.

I'm arguing against making bold faced silly statements like if a game can't survive without 3rd party plugins, it deserves to die. That's patently false, and it's been proven false time and again.

Please don't respond to arguments I didn't make.

[Zackneifein]

What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

You are really comparing Bethesda games and FFXIV ? Bethesda games are made for the modding community, always had been and always will be. I'm even convinced that it's in Bethesda DNA to have games that is a fantastic playground full of hole to be clogged by modders.

They even allow project like Skyblivion to exist, something not a lot of game companies would allow to. Or don't caring about the use of assets that are clearly coming from other companies / games / media.

CB3 has always been clear about what they think of mods, Yoshi-P telling again and again "don't use them, don't make them". Japanese law itself is against the existence of mods. Bethesda don't care about how and why you play Skyrim and what you do with it, it's not the case of CB3 and it's their right to do so, even more in a multiplayer game with part of its economy working around thing like mount, glamour and music, that are totally irrevelant for people using mods massively.

Being a multiplayer game had many other problems on the table and to be clear with you : I have NEVER been okay with the fact that my character is seen differently - sometime, even if it's a extreme minority, with adult mods - by other players using mods for example.

[Rinoa_353]

The biggest mod that I know of that even got official recognition from Valve (creators of Half Life series) is Black Mesa that started as a mod to remake Half Life 1. Valve even let them sell it on Steam and it's always being updated a decade later after the initial public release, it's really neat. SE would get so much good will if they reached out to mod authors and allowed them to make glams (sfw obviously) that are high quality and more and release them into the game officially like Valve did for the Black Mesa mod team.

[Gameovers]

No disrespect, but every time I see Mare I think Legend of Heroes Trails through Daybreak. :c She was fun.

[Erzaa]

You are really comparing Bethesda games and FFXIV ? Bethesda games are made for the modding community, always had been and always will be. I'm even convinced that it's in Bethesda DNA to have games that is a fantastic playground full of hole to be clogged by modders..

I'm not comparing anything. I'm making a statement. Mods have always extended the lifespan of a video game, and calling for the death of a game, if some players use modding to improve their experience of it, is a ludicrous statement. If all games lived and died on just the state they're in when developers release them, we'd have alot fewer games.

CB3 has always been clear about what they think of mods, Yoshi-P telling again and again "don't use them, don't make them".

I'm aware. Where did I argue otherwise?

Japanese law itself is against the existence of mods.

As I said earlier, I don't know the laws in Japan, I'm not Japanese, I'll take people's word for it, if it's true, it's true. Again, what's your point?

it's not the case of CB3 and it's their right to do so, even more in a multiplayer game with part of its economy working around thing like mount, glamour and music, that are totally irrevelant for people using mods massively.

Yes, it's their right, and they excercised by killing the mod in question. Where did I say otherwise?

Being a multiplayer game had many other problems on the table and to be clear with you : I have NEVER been okay with the fact that my character is seen differently - sometime, even if it's a extreme minority, with adult mods - by other players using mods for example.

This is entirely a you problem. Do you really believe I care if someone on the other end of their screen makes me look like a chicken? It doesn't impact me at all, I couldn't care less.

Nobody's forcing anyone to use mods. And the players that do, do so at their own risk.

If you want to argue that people are behaving a bit crazy by downvoting the game on Steam for a mod being shut down, yes I agree, they are. But this statement "If your game survives only on 3rd party mods, then it should shut down" is as insane as the players who're a trying to review bomb the game on Steam.

It's alright for some players to make insane statements, but not other players?

And let's be clear, selective banning is the real problem. It's either all ok, or none of it is. Half measures just increase player frustration.