Housing is the biggest load of crap

[Solowing]

Their problem is that they don’t consider Apartments or FC Rooms as proper player housing.
They don’t understand how a corporation works, nor are they interested in the development history of online gaming.
Honestly, they don’t care—it’s just a tool to support their own narratives.

I didn’t expect much, because they’re not the first, and they won’t be the last, until they get what they want.
What surprised me is this “all or nothing” attitude—they’d rather sit on nothing than accept a compromise.
Also, when they start labeling anyone who disagrees as “white knights” or “defenders,” that’s a clear sign
They know they’re losing the argument and are resorting to cheap labels as a last-ditch effort.

That's what throws me off about that. They're injecting their own definition of what housing is rather than take with the actual definition of housing is as a feature is. If you can decorate it it is considered housing whether you like it or not.

I'm saying this because I thought of this myself as a player when they implemented apartments. And the answer I came up with is technicality. Once they gave us apts. That was our "housing starter set" any "lack of housing" threads are toothless if apartments are available to purchase. That's just understanding the language.

But that language is intentional compassing Apts, smalls, medium, large. If you have access to one you have access to housing, and that right there disarms the "not enough housing" complaints.

They think im white knighting.. all they're doing is creating their own boogieman. They're hearing what they wanna hear not what i'm saying.

Earlier I mention that the ward system is a reflection of the player's priorities. I got no response to that. To be honest it seems like they're avoiding it. I like the word system but that is an unfortunate reality of it. The ward system needs the players to make it work. But the players don't want to spend the time in the ward or a isolated instance. But im the villain for pointing that out?

To be honest, I'm not surprised by some of it.I did say it was an entitlement issue and someone said it wasn't.Then proceeded to say we're entitled to it because we pay a sub....

[Solowing]

Players, we want housing.

*Apts*

We don't want that I want to be able to decorate my exterior!

*Island Sanctuary with outdoor decoations*

"We don't want that"

That Young Muriel scene wasn't a just a joke. Looking back at it

[Divinemights]

That's what throws me off about that. They're injecting their own definition of what housing is rather than take with the actual definition of housing is as a feature is. If you can decorate it it is considered housing whether you like it or not.

I'm saying this because I thought of this myself as a player when they implemented apartments. And the answer I came up with is technicality. Once they gave us apts. That was our "housing starter set" any "lack of housing" threads are toothless if apartments are available to purchase. That's just understanding the language.

But that language is intentional compassing Apts, smalls, medium, large. If you have access to one you have access to housing, and that right there disarms the "not enough housing" complaints.

They think im white knighting.. all they're doing is creating their own boogieman. They're hearing what they wanna hear not what i'm saying.

Earlier I mention that the ward system is a reflection of the player's priorities. I got no response to that. To be honest it seems like they're avoiding it. I like the word system but that is an unfortunate reality of it. The ward system needs the players to make it work. But the players don't want to spend the time in the ward or a isolated instance. But im the villain for pointing that out?

To be honest, I'm not surprised by some of it.I did say it was an entitlement issue and someone said it wasn't.Then proceeded to say we're entitled to it because we pay a sub....

This is a textbook case of failed equivocation.
My first post clearly stated that there doesn’t seem to be a housing crisis: most small plots remain unbid even a year after the demolition lock.
This is supported by solid evidence and directly addresses the topic.
Instead of engaging with that, this person twists the argument, claiming I’m “forcing everyone to bid on small plots.”
That’s a complete misrepresentation.
Their attempt to switch concepts is poorly executed and baseless and everything actually points back to their own flawed reasoning.

As for the “White Knight” label, don’t take it seriously.
It’s a last-resort tactic when someone is losing an argument.
Even if your perspective is neutral and reasonable, if it doesn’t fit their narrative and they lack evidence, they’ll resort to personal labels instead of addressing your points.

[ShadowyZero]

aww thats so sweet our dear Solowing made a pal in their mutual undercutting of people asking for a basic feature to be expanded upon and improved for everyone let us know when you guys get married and when the divorce happens please do tell us who gets to keep the house lmao ;P

[ShadowyZero]

As for the “White Knight” label, don’t take it seriously. .

its not science to distinguish a a plot of land from a tiny AF room, and it not difficult to tell the difference between pebble and a full size rock your condescending attitude tells us you can't handle criticism an have a narcissistic attitude towards anyone who doesn't agree that you're right :^) you really are out here acting like everyone's intelligence is beneath you but i can promise you we're not idiots an we know what we're asking for but by all means please keep humoring us we all love a good drama show thats what the crowd loves to see after all folks might as well place some bets or get some popcorn this thread will keep going for awhile until these gate keeping corporate lap doggies eventually quit lol

[Yuniko]

its not science to distinguish a a plot of land from a tiny AF room, and it not difficult to tell the difference between pebble and a full size rock your condescending attitude tells us you can't handle criticism an have a narcissistic attitude towards anyone who doesn't agree that you're right :^) you really are out here acting like everyone's intelligence is beneath you but i can promise you we're not idiots an we know what we're asking for but by all means please keep humoring us we all love a good drama show thats what the crowd loves to see after all folks might as well place some bets or get some popcorn this thread will keep going for awhile until these gate keeping corporate lap doggies eventually quit lol

Just put them on ignore. That way their out of our hair. i don't have the energy to deal with these people anymore. All they do is condecend upon other players who wants more housing and more balance.

Imagen them doing this to a new player who wants a house and such too. :/ so yeah. Best to just ignore them.

[Divinemights]

its not science to distinguish a a plot of land from a tiny AF room, and it not difficult to tell the difference between pebble and a full size rock your condescending attitude tells us you can't handle criticism an have a narcissistic attitude towards anyone who doesn't agree that you're right :^) you really are out here acting like everyone's intelligence is beneath you but i can promise you we're not idiots an we know what we're asking for but by all means please keep humoring us we all love a good drama show thats what the crowd loves to see after all folks might as well place some bets or get some popcorn this thread will keep going for awhile until these gate keeping corporate lap doggies eventually quit lol

Thank you and once again, you’ve proven every point I just made.
This is yet another failed attempt at equivocation.
Unlike the other guy, your approach isn’t even about debate, it’s just labeling.

In the end, SE’s approach to the housing system is justified.
It’s fair to say that Yoshida has a solid understanding of the MMORPG ecosystem, where no game can sustain a massive player base beyond ten years.
Currently, on Leviathan, there are many small plots with no bidders, while all the bidding activity focuses on medium and large plots.
If housing demand were truly high, these smaller plots would be claimed immediately once demolitions begin again.

There’s no drama here.
What we’re seeing is just someone’s narcissistic reaction to the statement above.
Honestly, you’d be better off doing what the other guy does—at least pretending to be cute is still a better option.
Sorry if my practical mindset hurts your feelings.

[ShadowyZero]

Sorry if my practical mindset hurts your feelings.

hey how's those clipping hats/headwear working out for your viera?

oh an how bout those once per major patch hairstyles from the past that should've been available since launch of viera? you good on those too?

they should really do something about those huh oops my bad sorry they can't do that all at once my bad, please understand they are poor understaffed minimum wage JP workers at the mercy of a rabid fandom gotta cut them slack right?

[Solowing]

its not science to distinguish a a plot of land from a tiny AF room, and it not difficult to tell the difference between pebble and a full size rock your condescending attitude tells us you can't handle criticism an have a narcissistic attitude towards anyone who doesn't agree that you're right :^) you really are out here acting like everyone's intelligence is beneath you but i can promise you we're not idiots an we know what we're asking for but by all means please keep humoring us we all love a good drama show thats what the crowd loves to see after all folks might as well place some bets or get some popcorn this thread will keep going for awhile until these gate keeping corporate lap doggies eventually quit lol

I didn't ask you any of that.

To uncomplicate the subject I am asking you to define what housing is.

But you seem very hesitant to define it. You can't tell me what it is , but you tell me what it isn't?

[Solowing]

aww thats so sweet our dear Solowing made a pal in their mutual undercutting of people asking for a basic feature to be expanded upon and improved for everyone let us know when you guys get married and when the divorce happens please do tell us who gets to keep the house lmao ;P

A basic feature to be expanded on is implying that you have that basic feature... And that right there is what disarms your arguement.

This isnt me defending the ward system yet.