Housing is the biggest load of crap

[WildStarz]

Yep over it. Just uninstalled tired of being let down week after week. Sucks the fun right out of the game for me. Lottery and video games shouldn't be a thing...

[Yuniko]

Yep over it. Just uninstalled tired of being let down week after week. Sucks the fun right out of the game for me. Lottery and video games shouldn't be a thing...

agreed with you. The lottery is trash.

I'm sorry to see you go, but for very good reasons. *hugs* i hope you find fun wherever you go! <3

[s32ialx]

Yep over it. Just uninstalled tired of being let down week after week. Sucks the fun right out of the game for me. Lottery and video games shouldn't be a thing...

I'm genuinely sorry to see you go, but I completely understand why you've made that decision. You're not just quitting a game, you're walking away from a system that repeatedly disrespects your time, effort, and loyalty.

The housing lottery isn't just a flawed mechanic, it's a morale killer. When players invest weeks, months, even years into saving gil, planning designs, and dreaming of a space to call their own, only to be shut out by RNG and scarcity, it doesn't feel like a game anymore. It feels like punishment.

And here's the part Square Enix needs to hear: every time a player like you quits, it's not just a lost subscription. It's lost revenue from mog station purchases, from potential expansions, from word-of-mouth recommendations. It's a ripple effect. You're an example of what happens when a system prioritizes artificial scarcity over player satisfaction.

You didn't quit because you're impatient. You quit because the game stopped respecting your time. And that's a perfectly valid reason to walk away.

Wishing you better luck and better systems in whatever game you choose next. You deserve a world that values your presence, not one that makes you fight tooth and nail just to feel included.

[Solowing]

agreed with you. The lottery is trash.

I'm sorry to see you go, but for very good reasons. *hugs* i hope you find fun wherever you go! <3

They didn't quit purely over the housing system. There were numerous reasons. It's just one issue amongst many they've had

[Solowing]

agreed with you. The lottery is trash.

I'm sorry to see you go, but for very good reasons. *hugs* i hope you find fun wherever you go! <3

Just remember the players asked for this to be implemented , and they got with the ask for..

Was the community wrong for asking for this?

The players wanted those who didn't have a lot of time to play to be accounted for. They wanted those who couldnt login much to be accounted for. Players wanted an increased accessibility to win a plot.

But I think some players thought that competition wouldn't go up when you lowered the barrier of entry. These players thought they were gonna be bidding against the same five players were parking out of plot. The players wanted to be considered for everyone so they made it fair for everybody but as a byproduct their chances of winning drop off a cliff because the increased accessibility.

Personally, I do like the ward system.I like having a semi permanent address in game. I find it really cool if I just want to go to somebody's house.I can just go there. I just look at peoples lodestone an check out their plots. (I've been to s32 fc recently, could use a book in there)

Ever that happened?And has to be limited to some degree. But also I don't want to see another system homologized. The player has been complaining over the years that the game has been getting homogenized. But in the same breath we're asking for features of the game to get homonogized. I'd rather not have a system turned into another bland system.

Players are saying that everybody wants a plot.But the wards are mostly empty. A group of players are saying they all want housing.What im seeing by activity? They don't really care about it that much. They care more not to lose it than use it..

[Divinemights]

*Lean back, popcorn in hand, watching someone wrestle with their own delusions.

*takes a deep breath so I stop getting pissed at naive ignorant gatekeepers*

You keep framing this as "practicality," but what you’re really promoting is complacency. Telling players to settle for something they don’t want, after months/years of saving gil and enduring lottery losses, isn’t helpful, it’s dismissive. Not everyone has the luxury of multiple accounts, endless gil, or time to decorate a plot they never wanted in the first place.

I suggest you keep this discussion civil, as I have from the start.
You, however, have been rude since the beginning.

My approach is practical, realistic, and logical.
Yours seems focused on hopping from point to point, trying to “win” the argument for its own sake without even noticing that your main narrative has already fallen apart.

You can certainly stick to your delusional approach and be held back by your own stubbornness, but in the end, my approach achieves the goal.
I’m sitting on a medium plot and bidding for a large plot this week, while you have literally nothing.
That’s a fact.

It would be downright hilarious if I actually won that large plot this week—though the odds are 1 in 190.
Your misunderstanding of Crafoutis's metaphor makes me seriously question your actual age.

And regarding the “static” you mentioned earlier—is that supposed to be SE’s financial report?
That’s not how corporations operate, just so you know.

[s32ialx]

I've been to s32 fc recently, could use a book in there

Ahha you missed it I try to leave a sparkle because some do miss it but if you actually take a look at the book on the bar and rightclick it you will see it is indeed a guestbook just well placed so that the open book acts as the guest book because I found the standard one out of place for many themes.

*Lean back, popcorn in hand, watching someone wrestle with their own delusions.



I suggest you keep this discussion civil, as I have from the start.
You, however, have been rude since the beginning.

My approach is practical, realistic, and logical.
Yours seems focused on hopping from point to point, trying to “win” the argument for its own sake without even noticing that your main narrative has already fallen apart.

You can certainly stick to your delusional approach and be held back by your own stubbornness, but in the end, my approach achieves the goal.
I’m sitting on a medium plot and bidding for a large plot this week, while you have literally nothing.
That’s a fact.

It would be downright hilarious if I actually won that large plot this week—though the odds are 1 in 190.
Your misunderstanding of Crafoutis's metaphor makes me seriously question your actual age.

And regarding the “static” you mentioned earlier—is that supposed to be SE’s financial report?
That’s not how corporations operate, just so you know.

You keep insisting your approach is "civil", yet you've called me delusional, questioned my age, and mocked my understanding, all while claiming moral high ground. That's not civility. That's passive aggression dressed up as superiority.

Let's be clear: owning a medium plot doesn't make your argument correct. It just means you got lucky in a broken system. Your success doesn't invalidate the frustration of thousands of players who've lost dozens of lotteries and still have nothing to show for it. That's not stubbornness, it's exhaustion.

You say my "main narrative has fallen apart", but the core issue remains unchanged: the housing system is flawed, exclusionary, and actively driving players away. WildStarz literally uninstalled the game this week because of it. That's not anecdotal, that's symptomatic.

And yes, when I referenced "statistics", I was talking about observable player behavior, like the overwhelming demand for medium and large plots versus the abundance of unclaimed smalls. If SE actually published housing data, we wouldn't be speculating. But until then, the evidence is in the queues, the forums, and the players walking away.

You can keep bidding with your multiple accounts and call it "practical.” But don't pretend that your personal success is proof the system works. It's proof that it works for you, and that's not the same thing.

Also, keep assuming I don't have a plot. My many posts have been about how toxic the lottery and housing system is to the player base. But I've owned multiple smalls over the years, and not once did they meet my needs. My FC house never upgraded from small to medium, it went from small in 2019 to nothing when my health declined and my members quit. I stopped recruiting because I was barely able to play. Not that it's any of your business.

When I returned in late 2022, I started bidding again, trying for mediums and larges to rebuild my FC. It took until 2025 to finally win a medium. And honestly? I feel awful. Some of my members bid on a different plot and we won both, meaning someone else lost out. I hope they won the next round, because I know how crushing that loss feels.

I currently own a small personal and a medium FC plot. I've experienced both. And I stand by what I've said: smalls are a waste of space. The top floor is barely more than half the size of the basement, which makes no sense unless SE deliberately shrunk it to make the limited item slots feel less restrictive.

I'm allowed to defend and stand up for fellow players and recognize their struggles, even while owning a plot. I don't have to become a bitter gatekeeper who tells others to "get good" or settle for less. That's your approach, not mine.

[Solowing]

I'm going to argue with your assessment about a small. Honestly I like the more condensed space because you get more mileage out of the item ratio. Mansions are terrible to me because they lack the item space ratio. Most players cut off floors as well as awkwardly placed rooms. Mediums are better for item space relation but like I said smalls have a better item ratio and the steps don't force you to design around it.

I just don't understand. How do you feel bad for upgrading from a small to a medium? If you felt so bad that you took the opportunity away from someone else you shouldn't have bid at all. However you don't pay yourself to appease other people, you play for you. You may have felt bad but not bad enough to give up the plot..

You have your right to defend one in the change the system.Just as I have as much money able to walk over to people's housing and just look around. And unfortunately that's going to have to be limited. I.
Still prefer this system in its current format than an instance system.

You're allowed to defend your position just as much as we're allowed to defend ourselves. I like the word system.Why can't I defend it? Oh you don't get a plot? Thats fine to me, as long as you can access housing in some capacity.


Players complained about their game being homogenized, but then ask for things that further homogenize it.

I like the system, am I wrong for enjoying being able to say "if you wanna go to my plot go here"?

[s32ialx]

I just don't understand. How do you feel bad for upgrading from a small to a medium? If you felt so bad that you took the opportunity away from someone else you shouldn't have bid at all. However you don't pay yourself to appease other people, you play for you. You may have felt bad but not bad enough to give up the plot..

I did not claim both plots I couldn't even if I wanted to be an ass. I felt bad because it was not intentional and it skewed the results causing possibly someone else to get the bid next time instead of whoever would have won if we didn't bid.

You're allowed to defend your position just as much as we're allowed to defend ourselves. I like the word system.Why can't I defend it? Oh you don't get a plot? Thats fine to me, as long as you can access housing in some capacity.

I am not against wards, never once did I specifically say wards are bad, the problem is wards are instances no matter how you look at it and there should be no reason they can not be giving a rework sure it won't directly bring in money but it will keep people longer. There should be no reason that wards WHICH NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT are instances, can't be infinite and permanent.

People have argued that because of crops is why wards can't be 'shut down' when not in use but that's just flat out misleading information. Everything is a database all they need to do is add checks on ward shutdown and ward startups to timestamp when the ward was shutdown and what progress each crop was at at time of shut down, and the second someone goes to access the ward spin it back online and do a check to see how much time has passed since it was last online and progress all plots by that much. some wards might never spin down cause people like me rarely leave them but others might stay offline for days which will, get this reduce server load.

As for dynamically adding new wards as needed is just adding a new running script to create no database entries. Obviously if someone transfers they forefit their plot but even then it could even be coded to just move their stuff to a ward with an empty plot on the world they transfer to if none exist spin up a new ward. then we will really see that save a few most people do not want smalls.

[ShadowyZero]

at this point just ignore Solowing and their buddies they're just here to farm drama they don't even care if you get a plot of your desire they just think you should settle for less cause the million Yen company is ignoring its playerbase's demand for something better an less stressful.