Housing is the biggest load of crap

[s32ialx]

*takes a deep breath so I stop getting pissed at naive ignorant gatekeepers*

Do you even know what you are talking about right now?
I am being practical and you behave delusional

It’s not your place to accuse anyone who follows the rules.
I pay subscriptions and actively play both accounts.
You can have your “big plan,” and I have mine; the difference is that a practical approach actually gets results.
I’ll enjoy my current plots and keep bidding for a large when it makes sense.
I strongly disagree with your approach.
If people want a plot, be practical and get a small first.
4M gil means nothing in this game.

You keep framing this as "practicality," but what you’re really promoting is complacency. Telling players to settle for something they don’t want, after months/years of saving gil and enduring lottery losses, isn’t helpful, it’s dismissive. Not everyone has the luxury of multiple accounts, endless gil, or time to decorate a plot they never wanted in the first place.

The housing system isn’t broken because people are "too picky". It’s broken because demand far exceeds supply, and the current design punishes players who want to aim higher. Suggesting that people should "just get a small" ignores the reality that many players are saving specifically for mediums or larges because they have creative plans that smalls simply can’t accommodate.

I'd say small house owners probably are the majority bidders on medium and large houses

Claiming that small house owners are the majority bidders on mediums and larges is pure speculation. There are millions of players and a finite number of small plots. Unless you’ve got hard data from SE, that’s just noise.

So you rather have nothing than something?

Who's being illogical here?

The biggest joke here is somebody's actually trying to help you.And you're ignoring the help and then saying they're the problem for trying to assist you in increasing your chances.

And Solowing, "something is better than nothing" only applies when the "something" is actually worth it. For many players, a small plot isn’t just a compromise, it’s a disappointment. If someone’s saved up for a medium, telling them to throw that away for a small is not "help", it’s undermining their goals.

This isn’t about entitlement. It’s about advocating for a system that reflects actual player demand, not outdated assumptions. If you’re comfortable with the status quo, great. But don’t invalidate those of us who aren’t.

[Divinemights]

*Lean back, popcorn in hand, watching someone wrestle with their own delusions.

*takes a deep breath so I stop getting pissed at naive ignorant gatekeepers*

You keep framing this as "practicality," but what you’re really promoting is complacency. Telling players to settle for something they don’t want, after months/years of saving gil and enduring lottery losses, isn’t helpful, it’s dismissive. Not everyone has the luxury of multiple accounts, endless gil, or time to decorate a plot they never wanted in the first place.

I suggest you keep this discussion civil, as I have from the start.
You, however, have been rude since the beginning.

My approach is practical, realistic, and logical.
Yours seems focused on hopping from point to point, trying to “win” the argument for its own sake without even noticing that your main narrative has already fallen apart.

You can certainly stick to your delusional approach and be held back by your own stubbornness, but in the end, my approach achieves the goal.
I’m sitting on a medium plot and bidding for a large plot this week, while you have literally nothing.
That’s a fact.

It would be downright hilarious if I actually won that large plot this week—though the odds are 1 in 190.
Your misunderstanding of Crafoutis's metaphor makes me seriously question your actual age.

And regarding the “static” you mentioned earlier—is that supposed to be SE’s financial report?
That’s not how corporations operate, just so you know.

[s32ialx]

I've been to s32 fc recently, could use a book in there

Ahha you missed it I try to leave a sparkle because some do miss it but if you actually take a look at the book on the bar and rightclick it you will see it is indeed a guestbook just well placed so that the open book acts as the guest book because I found the standard one out of place for many themes.

*Lean back, popcorn in hand, watching someone wrestle with their own delusions.



I suggest you keep this discussion civil, as I have from the start.
You, however, have been rude since the beginning.

My approach is practical, realistic, and logical.
Yours seems focused on hopping from point to point, trying to “win” the argument for its own sake without even noticing that your main narrative has already fallen apart.

You can certainly stick to your delusional approach and be held back by your own stubbornness, but in the end, my approach achieves the goal.
I’m sitting on a medium plot and bidding for a large plot this week, while you have literally nothing.
That’s a fact.

It would be downright hilarious if I actually won that large plot this week—though the odds are 1 in 190.
Your misunderstanding of Crafoutis's metaphor makes me seriously question your actual age.

And regarding the “static” you mentioned earlier—is that supposed to be SE’s financial report?
That’s not how corporations operate, just so you know.

You keep insisting your approach is "civil", yet you've called me delusional, questioned my age, and mocked my understanding, all while claiming moral high ground. That's not civility. That's passive aggression dressed up as superiority.

Let's be clear: owning a medium plot doesn't make your argument correct. It just means you got lucky in a broken system. Your success doesn't invalidate the frustration of thousands of players who've lost dozens of lotteries and still have nothing to show for it. That's not stubbornness, it's exhaustion.

You say my "main narrative has fallen apart", but the core issue remains unchanged: the housing system is flawed, exclusionary, and actively driving players away. WildStarz literally uninstalled the game this week because of it. That's not anecdotal, that's symptomatic.

And yes, when I referenced "statistics", I was talking about observable player behavior, like the overwhelming demand for medium and large plots versus the abundance of unclaimed smalls. If SE actually published housing data, we wouldn't be speculating. But until then, the evidence is in the queues, the forums, and the players walking away.

You can keep bidding with your multiple accounts and call it "practical.” But don't pretend that your personal success is proof the system works. It's proof that it works for you, and that's not the same thing.

Also, keep assuming I don't have a plot. My many posts have been about how toxic the lottery and housing system is to the player base. But I've owned multiple smalls over the years, and not once did they meet my needs. My FC house never upgraded from small to medium, it went from small in 2019 to nothing when my health declined and my members quit. I stopped recruiting because I was barely able to play. Not that it's any of your business.

When I returned in late 2022, I started bidding again, trying for mediums and larges to rebuild my FC. It took until 2025 to finally win a medium. And honestly? I feel awful. Some of my members bid on a different plot and we won both, meaning someone else lost out. I hope they won the next round, because I know how crushing that loss feels.

I currently own a small personal and a medium FC plot. I've experienced both. And I stand by what I've said: smalls are a waste of space. The top floor is barely more than half the size of the basement, which makes no sense unless SE deliberately shrunk it to make the limited item slots feel less restrictive.

I'm allowed to defend and stand up for fellow players and recognize their struggles, even while owning a plot. I don't have to become a bitter gatekeeper who tells others to "get good" or settle for less. That's your approach, not mine.

[Solowing]

I'm going to argue with your assessment about a small. Honestly I like the more condensed space because you get more mileage out of the item ratio. Mansions are terrible to me because they lack the item space ratio. Most players cut off floors as well as awkwardly placed rooms. Mediums are better for item space relation but like I said smalls have a better item ratio and the steps don't force you to design around it.

I just don't understand. How do you feel bad for upgrading from a small to a medium? If you felt so bad that you took the opportunity away from someone else you shouldn't have bid at all. However you don't pay yourself to appease other people, you play for you. You may have felt bad but not bad enough to give up the plot..

You have your right to defend one in the change the system.Just as I have as much money able to walk over to people's housing and just look around. And unfortunately that's going to have to be limited. I.
Still prefer this system in its current format than an instance system.

You're allowed to defend your position just as much as we're allowed to defend ourselves. I like the word system.Why can't I defend it? Oh you don't get a plot? Thats fine to me, as long as you can access housing in some capacity.


Players complained about their game being homogenized, but then ask for things that further homogenize it.

I like the system, am I wrong for enjoying being able to say "if you wanna go to my plot go here"?