yoshi what are you doing to steel cyclone ):?

[Krausus]

Most people who are okay with war getting nerfed are people who haven't played the job.
War's DD against a single target is slow and awful.

Just because PLD sucks balls it doesn't mean we should nerf war.

Its like... war is great against multiple enemies. That's their thing. People are raging because... it works. Nothing else.
PLD is still going to be a pile of crap even after they nerf WAR.

This is not a solution. Its a straw man move.

I find it hard to believe that any WAR doesn't consider SC being a bit OP with a 30 second cooldown and I play WAR as my main

[Hikozaemon]

i know its getting toned down, but how exactly? i need to know details, please

my bet is a 1min30sec cooldown and slightly weaker w/ a improved dmg whirlwind like they already stated.

will def suck for people that used wars to aoe spam ant queen to death in 2 mins but idc now lol im quitting until 2.0

[desslok]

Steel Cyclone isn't necessarily the issue IMO. Sure it could definitely use a higher cooldown, but I think WARs most needed nerf is Rampage. Get rid of Rampage and just have Defender/Beserk.

the correct answer was posted on page4.

[DeadRiser]

Most people who are okay with war getting nerfed are people who haven't played the job.
War's DD against a single target is slow and awful.

Just because PLD sucks balls it doesn't mean we should nerf war.

Its like... war is great against multiple enemies. That's their thing. People are raging because... it works. Nothing else.
PLD is still going to be a pile of crap even after they nerf WAR.

This is not a solution. Its a straw man move.

You can't be serious lol. I play Warrior just as much as I play White Mage. It needs a nerf. It's single target damage is not horrible. You have THREE different chain combos to go through. And DID you NOT notice the part where they are buffing whirlwind damage and beserk effect? They are making it a better single target DD obviously, but you are too thick in the head to see that >.>

[Majidah]

I find it hard to believe that any WAR doesn't consider SC being a bit OP with a 30 second cooldown and I play WAR as my main

We don't see BLM getting a nerf because they can sleepga -> huge damage -> sleepga -> huge damage

SC is awesome. Thats no reason why it should be nerfed.
The job is well balanced and pretty well rounded. I enjoy it very much and makes for a reliable tank. It works.

[Majidah]

You can't be serious lol. I play Warrior just as much as I play White Mage. It needs a nerf. It's single target damage is not horrible. You have THREE different chain combos to go through. And DID you NOT notice the part where they are buffing whirlwind damage and beserk effect? They are making it a better single target DD obviously, but you are too thick in the head to see that >.>

It seems to me you are too short sighted and "thick in the head" to realize that whirlwind combos with path of the storm only when the second one is done from behind the target; why would I use that when tanking? Whirlwind means squat for tanking when I can do a 3 WS combo for less TP against a 3000 single WS (lets keep in mind that when tanking you can't even combo it)... are you even thinking?

The adjustment on berserk would need to be huge to put warrior on par with the other DD jobs, and that's unlikely.

SC will be adjusted so that tanking won't be that good. And our damage won't be that good either. Warrior will be a jack of all trades and master of none. And because of the duality of berserker this "jack of all trades" will only be able to do one trade at a time. You either tank or you DD.

Unlike red mage on XI it won't have a special ability (such as refresh) that will make it desirable to invite into a party.
Unless you are desperate.

[Duuude007]

MRD has been Tank-desirable over GLA since the enmity rebalance of 1.18. That is a lot of new content between then and now in which causes paladin to be the black sheep of tanks.

They arent turning MRD into the new black sheep, they are merely trying to get party balance closer to their original intent.

How about less QQing and more "Let's see what it actually looks like once live", eh?"

[Nullie]

Why are so many people against nerfing a class? I don't really get it! Warrior is OP. What don't you people get about it? This is coming from a Warrior. It's not nerfing to fix another class, Warrior is OP in itself. If a Warrior can solo itself all the way to the sipahi turban coffer area and solo the boss, there is something slightly wrong don't you people think?

I love how everyone is just like, buff up Paladin and leave Warrior alone. Let's just keep buffing up all classes ya know, till the point when they all are too powerful... The devs know what they are doing. Quit complaining and DEAL WITH IT.

If the Devs know what they were doing do you think we would be in this spot? Really?

At this rate all its going to accomplish is putting one class on the sidelines and then what? Another buff and another nerf?

Also, quit complaining and deal with it? Seriously? Why are paladins complaining? Why don't you tell that to them?
I think you're being quite unfair.

I just noticed on a side note, my avatar and world is gone. ; ;

[Majidah]

How about less QQing and more "Let's see what it actually looks like once live", eh?"

Shouldn't that go both ways? Yes, dandy, lets close the forums down.

[Duuude007]

Shouldn't that go both ways? Yes, dandy, lets close the forums down.

The flaw in your logic is we've had 10 months to see what the enmity reset did after it went live, and even Yoshi admits there is a problem.

There will always be something else to fix. "Perfect" is a myth.