yoshi what are you doing to steel cyclone ):?

[Gennosuke]

Why are so many people against nerfing a class? I don't really get it! Warrior is OP. What don't you people get about it? This is coming from a Warrior. It's not nerfing to fix another class, Warrior is OP in itself. If a Warrior can solo itself all the way to the sipahi turban coffer area and solo the boss, there is something slightly wrong don't you people think?

I love how everyone is just like, buff up Paladin and leave Warrior alone. Let's just keep buffing up all classes ya know, till the point when they all are too powerful... The devs know what they are doing. Quit complaining and DEAL WITH IT.

your naturally right, these complaints usually come from war happy people who are enjoying the OP ride. When it gets nerfed, these same people will hop on the next OP bandwagon. It's a mindset. Main thing is SE keeps fixing these holes. and we're here to make it clear.

So bring it on SE =P

[DeadRiser]

your naturally right, these complaints usually come from war happy people who are enjoying the OP ride. When it gets nerfed, these same people will hop on the next OP bandwagon. It's a mindset. Main thing is SE keeps fixing these holes. and we're here to make it clear.

So bring it on SE =P

I know people are entitled to their own opinions... but a lot of opinions in here are just dumb lol.

[Krausus]

I know people are entitled to their own opinions... but a lot of opinions in here are just dumb lol.

I love WAR and agree SC is OP and needs a longer CD

[Gennosuke]

I know people are entitled to their own opinions... but a lot of opinions in here are just dumb lol.

Tbh, it was quite bad before, i felt compelled to lvl mrd to 50 and i did, just to be able to participate in content more easily, as much as i hated playing a class i didn't enjoy (ironically tho, i hardly played it at 50, simply coz i don't enjoy it as much), ended up in the mage role which also isn't so much my style. Balance is obviously a serious issue.

Granted though, with the recent class/job patch and improvements to other melee jobs, things have improved now which is great to see, though still not quite there, i think SE is moving in the right direction. So hopefully we'll keep moving towards a more balanced set of jobs.

[Frein]

Why are so many people against nerfing a class? I don't really get it! Warrior is OP. What don't you people get about it? This is coming from a Warrior. It's not nerfing to fix another class, Warrior is OP in itself. If a Warrior can solo itself all the way to the sipahi turban coffer area and solo the boss, there is something slightly wrong don't you people think?

I love how everyone is just like, buff up Paladin and leave Warrior alone. Let's just keep buffing up all classes ya know, till the point when they all are too powerful... The devs know what they are doing. Quit complaining and DEAL WITH IT.

How can you be so sure it's OP when your only valid point of reference is PLD? Is PLD the "balanced baseline" that any other tanking jobs should be at and if so, why?

You write much but you have no argument.

Besides, Steel Cyclone is only one WAR tool in tanking. It's a good one but hardly a decisive one. It's most potent application is in tanking multiple weak mobs, not in fighting one boss monster. I fail to see how nerfing SC will do anything to shift preferences in tank choices.

Yes, WAR can solo coffers with ease unmatched by any other job, but that's only because coffers happen to be the content that is most aligned with WARs strength (many trash mobs). WAR can do that because that's what the job was designed to do, it's not an oversight.

I think boosting PLD secondary role significantly is a great idea. Imagine if you could keep healing great amount of damage throughout a long fight? It would allow you to run with less WHMs or let the WHMs focus on nuking a lot more.

[DeadRiser]

Are you serious about only tanking ONE boss? Collussion, Antagonize, Provoke, Vengeanence. ALL tanking skills. This is coming from a Warrior and I know how easy it is to single boss tank a mob. If you read it, they are nerfing Collussion as well. On top of that, they are ALSO buffing their DD abilities for Whirlwind and also buffing the effect of Beserk. I mean come on people.

When you think about it like this...

Warrior. Can single/multiple tank with ease AND sucessfully DD at the same
Paladin. Can single/multiple tank with ease AND that's it.

[Darkillumina]

Darkillumina

I have to disagree as the developers said WAR at the min can DD, Hold Emnity, and Tank effectively and also through the crazy critical hits from SC and Rampage it can also heal effectively. With the right gear WARs can do close to 20k damage in a boss fight compared to 4-8k PLDs can do (I know some may be able to push that). All in all even if the PLD does 10k damage in a fight against say misers mistress you can bet the WAR while tanking more effectively through taking less damage due to parry and rampage heals (which are slightly op at the min) will be doing 15k damage. THis is all speculation based on values I hear shouted to me from parsers. fact is WAR does around 5-10k more damage than any PLD while being a btter tank. That my friend is OP and is getting nerfed for good reason tanking ability should go

PLD>WAR>MNK=DRG

DD ability should go MNK=DRG>WAR>>>>>>>>>>>PLD

Right now PLD struggles to compare in shear tanking ability !. now im not saying PLD should be the only tank but I am holding a big shield and I should TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DAMAGE and in return for holding a heavy shield that protects me I do significantly less damage as well.

I agree with this, again part of the problem is that WAR is designed to draw enmity with damage which the formula's calculate as being superior to almost anything else. PLD is designed to tank and heal but since they can't output damage as well they can't hold hate as well.

I want this to be fixed, the issue I have is most of the idiots who don't do the research assume that Steel Cyclone is the reason why WAR is a superior tank to PLD. No it's not, the real reason is that the enmity formula's are all messed up and put more priority on damage.

I also have no issue with PLD being a great tank. Having more than one option is great but it needs to be balanced in a way in which one isn't ostracized in place of the other.

Good Post.

DeadRiser you are one of the misinformed ones I'm talking about. Your replies are full of stupid.

[Frein]

Are you serious about only tanking ONE boss?

You may want to read my post again.

[ThePatriarch]

pld sucked in XI, should continue the legacy here

Good call. It was only the most used tank in the game, but good call.

Definitely sucked.

[Majidah]

Most people who are okay with war getting nerfed are people who haven't played the job.
War's DD against a single target is slow and awful.

Just because PLD sucks balls it doesn't mean we should nerf war.

Its like... war is great against multiple enemies. That's their thing. People are raging because... it works. Nothing else.
PLD is still going to be a pile of crap even after they nerf WAR.

This is not a solution. Its a straw man move.