League levels of toxic behavour in game.

[TBerry]

pulling ahead of the tank is normal gameplay. turning off your stance and letting a player die on purpose is a reportable offense. your opinions on ~maintaining the sanctity of the trinity~ don't change that. a tank's job is to tank, not to whine about having to tank things.

I rarely witness cases where a DPS pulls ahead on my server. Most just wait until the tank arrives. So no, this is not normal.
There is a silent understanding: Tank handles the mob, the DPS kills it, and the healer keeps (mostly the tank) alive.
We call this cooperation.

[velkettin]

I rarely witness cases where a DPS pulls ahead on my server. Most just wait until the tank arrives. So no, this is not normal.
There is a silent understanding: Tank handles the mob, the DPS kills it, and the healer keeps (mostly the tank) alive.

i meant normal in the sense that nothing is inherently wrong with it regardless of frequency of occurrence. also, have you considered that maybe some people just don't want to deal with the kinds of tanks that turn their stance off and complain? if i ever stay back that's why, although increasingly i don't bother since i've realized most people don't actually care. i've had tanks specifically tell me "don't be afraid to pull ahead, i'm not gonna get mad about it."

your "silent understanding" is neither universal nor, actually, particularly useful. when i was a new tank i had people pull for me and all it did was teach me that i could handle pulling more than i thought. it felt encouraging to me and made me realize i really liked tanking big groups. you don't need to feel exactly the same about that as i do, but you can't assume your own knee-jerk negative feelings about something mean that thing is actually inherently a bad thing to do.

[BigCheez]

I rarely witness cases where a DPS pulls ahead on my server. Most just wait until the tank arrives. So no, this is not normal.
There is a silent understanding: Tank handles the mob, the DPS kills it, and the healer keeps (mostly the tank) alive.
We call this cooperation.

Cooperation? It sounds more like submission.

The fact of the matter is that dungeons are so trivial that no roles are required. You can beat dungeons with 4 DPS. You can beat dungeons with 1 tank and 3 DPS. You can beat dungeons with 3 DPS and 1 healer.

Trying to enforce the tank as the party leader when their presence isn't even required is a farce.

Leave your ego at the door and just play the game.

[klu]

pulling ahead of the tank is normal gameplay. turning off your stance and letting a player die on purpose is a reportable offense. your opinions on ~maintaining the sanctity of the trinity~ don't change that. a tank's job is to tank, not to whine about having to tank things.

No, it isn't. It isnt "normal gameplay".
I dont have to turn off my tank stance. I also dont have to use an AOE attack.
If a tanks job is to tank, then the healers job is to heal, not dps. Go tell them.

Cooperation? It sounds more like submission.

The fact of the matter is that dungeons are so trivial that no roles are required. You can beat dungeons with 4 DPS. You can beat dungeons with 1 tank and 3 DPS. You can beat dungeons with 3 DPS and 1 healer.

Trying to enforce the tank as the party leader when their presence isn't even required is a farce.

Leave your ego at the door and just play the game.

I agree. Leave your ego, at the door. Your ego. Leave it. At the door.

And if, as youre suggesting the roles dont matter, then you are *specifically and deliberately* agreeing that it wont matter if I turn tank stance on, or leave it off.

Tank stance doesn't matter. You said so yourself.

So we *all* get to share repair bills and time lost to being dead.

[BigCheez]

No, it isn't. It isnt "normal gameplay".
I dont have to turn off my tank stance. I also dont have to use an AOE attack.
If a tanks job is to tank, then the healers job is to heal, not dps. Go tell them.







I agree. Leave your ego, at the door. Your ego. Leave it. At the door.

And if, as youre suggesting the roles dont matter, then you are *specifically and deliberately* agreeing that it wont matter if I turn tank stance on, or leave it off.

Tank stance doesn't matter. You said so yourself.

So we *all* get to share repair bills and time lost to being dead.

Yes, everyone loses their time if you manage to force a wipe by turning off your tank stance. Petty and childish behaviour. I guess someone never grew out of their "taking their ball and going home" phase.

[velkettin]

No, it isn't. It isnt "normal gameplay".
I dont have to turn off my tank stance. I also dont have to use an AOE attack.
If a tanks job is to tank, then the healers job is to heal, not dps. Go tell them.







I agree. Leave your ego, at the door. Your ego. Leave it. At the door.

And if, as youre suggesting the roles dont matter, then you are *specifically and deliberately* agreeing that it wont matter if I turn tank stance on, or leave it off.

Tank stance doesn't matter. You said so yourself.

So we *all* get to share repair bills and time lost to being dead.

if you wanna waste everyone's time and farm reports that's your prerogative ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bibine_Bine]

I'm honestly surprised, I've never experienced anything like that before. I have encountered plenty of slow tanks and occasionally DPS players pulling ahead but I don't think I've ever encountered jerks who pull ahead of a tank that's already doing their best to go as fast as possible. Sorry you had to deal with that, man.

[PharisHanasaki]

This is current NA mentality. It's been like that for a while, if they want to go fast that's how EVERYONE should play. They don't even stop to think if that's how the other 3 humans on their party want to play. It's all ME, ME, ME. And 100% of the time, they have a mentor's crown and possibly all but one or two jobs maxed out. You're new and want to watch a CS? Shame on you for not playing at 3am on patch day, it's old content now.

Some are bearable, but some are toxic like the OP has described. If it's the later I just prioritize tank healing, occasionally targeting a healing spell towards the offending DPS when their HP gets really low. If they die while I'm healing the tank, it's on them. Nothing we can do with the current state of the game, dungeons are not challenging or engaging enough, and the community side of games is dying. People would rather converse with ChatGPT.

[Haru304]

I wouldn't really describe that as toxic so much as poor game design to be honest. If you ask them to stop pulling and they refuse, then that could be pretty toxic. Ultimately if the content is designed to be as simple as it is that we don't even need tanks for trash at lower end... then I don't know what to say, really, other than putting it down to poor development. In short, the game itself should be punishing them for that type of behaviour. And if it isn't... well.

[BigCheez]

I wouldn't really describe that as toxic so much as poor game design to be honest. If you ask them to stop pulling and they refuse, then that could be pretty toxic. Ultimately if the content is designed to be as simple as it is that we don't even need tanks for trash at lower end... then I don't know what to say, really, other than putting it down to poor development. In short, the game itself should be punishing them for that type of behaviour. And if it isn't... well.

I think you're getting caught up in circular reasoning here.

Why should they stop pulling?
Why should the game prevent them from pulling?