League levels of toxic behavour in game.

[Asari5]

Girl what? Where is this even coming from? Oh you're toxic. Got it.

what is toxic anyway? people throw it around so much it became a pretty pointless word. nowadays its more akin to 'i dont like it'.

am i toxic? i guess you could call cynicism toxic. doesnt mean its wrong though.
quite some people dont play healer or tank to avoid responsibility. so they play dps. but dps do have responsibilities. even in casual content. its just that people first blame tank or healer and not the lack of dmg, because how could it ever be a dps problem? only evil people critisize that... blaming the healer is alright though. but dps does play a big role in surviving thrash pulls.
and of course selfheal and mitigation are also responsibilities.

[Haru304]

If you're a DPS or healer and you go off on your own to aggro trash, the trash should be strong enough to kill you.

[klu]

I think you're getting caught up in circular reasoning here.

Why should they stop pulling?
Why should the game prevent them from pulling?

Okay at this point im certain youre here to farm outrage. You have fun with that, but im not going to waste any more time on you.

[BunnyBrat]

But... it's objectively true? We really have no responsibility other than ensuring the health bars go down and not standing on the bad, and the majority can't be bothered with the latter because "muh uptime"
And I'm saying this as someone who does all 3 roles fairly consistently, with a slight inclination to maining dps in this and in the past, another MMO.

What are you talking about? All dps say they have anxiety and ask what more does a person want? You're being deliberately obtuse here. And most likely here to back up your friends. This is not a productive discussion as is a waste of my time. Bye

[Supersnow845]

This is current NA mentality. It's been like that for a while, if they want to go fast that's how EVERYONE should play. They don't even stop to think if that's how the other 3 humans on their party want to play. It's all ME, ME, ME. And 100% of the time, they have a mentor's crown and possibly all but one or two jobs maxed out. You're new and want to watch a CS? Shame on you for not playing at 3am on patch day, it's old content now.

Some are bearable, but some are toxic like the OP has described. If it's the later I just prioritize tank healing, occasionally targeting a healing spell towards the offending DPS when their HP gets really low. If they die while I'm healing the tank, it's on them. Nothing we can do with the current state of the game, dungeons are not challenging or engaging enough, and the community side of games is dying. People would rather converse with ChatGPT.

You can just as much flip this around to argue the opposite point

If the DPS pulls ahead and the healer is fine just healing them then the tank throws a tantrum then they aren’t considering that the other people want to go fast. Same as if the tank is fine with it but you are complaining as the healer

[Midare]

What are you talking about? All dps say they have anxiety and ask what more does a person want? You're being deliberately obtuse here. And most likely here to back up your friends. This is not a productive discussion as is a waste of my time. Bye

If someone's developing "anxiety" over a role in a video game, then they need to find themselves some real issues.
But you enjoy that conspiracy plot you built all on your own.

[Shistar]

If someone's developing "anxiety" over a role in a video game, then they need to find themselves some real issues.
But you enjoy that conspiracy plot you built all on your own.

This comment is awfully unempathetic. Some people feel very nervous when they perceive the success or failure of the party primarily rests on their shoulders (and the possible consequences/thoughts their party may have if a bad performance on their behalf leads to a wipe), and this nervousness can lead them to be unable to take the right decisions when needed or react in time to emergencies/mechanics, which only intensifies their anxiety around the job/role. I'm not saying you need to baby them, but the concept isn't hard to understand.


I spent a good while encouraging a close friend of mine to try tanking as a DPS main and I'm happy to say he's made great progress and feels much more comfortable now, but those first few duties were rough for him because he thought people were judging him way harder than anyone really was. Once he understood his duties and had a bit of practice, he felt much better! Now I am encouraging him to try healer as well, in my plot to make all of my friends into the ultimate flex gang :3c


What I mean by all of this is "tankxiety" and "healxiety", as people like to jokingly call them, is very much real, and saying it's not is plain dismissive. People can have serious problems to worry about IRL and also feel nervous about the consequences of failure in a co-op videogame.


For anyone who may read this in the future and struggles with trying a new role, you'll be ok! you got this! We've all messed up, and messed up real bad before. No one died, lost a good friend or got shunned over it. As long as you're trying your best and being open to feedback, you'll learn in time.

[MikeCake]

This is more on the healer than the tank

As an example if a DPS pulls ahead of the tank when I’m the healer then the tank pulls it off them then that’s totally fine; the DPS’s health bar is Just an extension of the tanks. If the DPS is so far ahead or the tank slow enough that I have to power heal the DPS then that’s kinda bad

I’m just of a middling opinion that if the healer is comfortable then there is no problem, if the DPS doing this overwhelms the healer and it slows down the run and they keep doing it that’s a problem. But if they do it and the healer is comfortable (not like the healer has much else to do) then there isn’t a problem

So yeah bad if they kept doing it after it noticeably slowed down the run but if if didn’t change anything or just made the flow slightly smoother then I don’t see a problem

This is neither a Tank or Healer's issue, the problem lies with the people who just run on the duty like their house in on fire and they can only get out after duty completion. This mindset has always been toxic I've seen players who go more towards the next wall so they can have head start on pulling the packs even when the tank is busy killing the not so dead current pack, blaming this on a specific role is not correct, the speedrun mentality some people have then pose it YPYT afterwards is just sickening.

[Shistar]

[... ]I've seen players who go more towards the next wall so they can have head start on pulling the packs even when the tank is busy killing the not so dead current pack, [...]

The only instance in which this immediately infuriates me is when the tank is doing it when the pack isn't dead yet, or walking the pack another 20 meters to put it against the next wall instead of just letting us kill it where it stands. There's nothing else to pull, just. Let me. Kill it. Stop moving out of my range! Dx!!!

[EchoingPulse]

If the DPS or healer wants to pull ahead, why not just leave them? Their heal bars become a free source of mitigation.

The only time it's a problem is when the Tank or Healer is new and wants more minor pulls. In that case, just don't heal or turn off tank stance and let the speedrunner faceplant for his folly.