Premades Don’t Break Frontline — They Broke the Illusion of the Horde Stampede

[gidsonBrand]

This is exactly why Dark Knight succ was never "busted," why Dragoon LB was never "busted," and why Samurai LB doesn't need a change now. They were (and still can be used as) counters to a low-level strategy. All people have to do is space out a little bit. That's it. But because there's no "Flare" marker clearly stating they have to run away, people don't seem to make that connection and instead blame the game.

If 4 people can defeat 24 people, don't you think the 24 are doing something horrendously wrong?

[Valence]

If 4 people can defeat 24 people, don't you think the 24 are doing something horrendously wrong?

By doing something horrendously wrong, you mean not playing the same meta?

To be honest if every other casual player was a good frontliner this would definitely happen a lot less, precisely because the gap skill wise is already huge, and it's multiplicated exponentially by what the game allows to do on top of it in terms of combos, certain abilities, etc.

[Mawlzy]

If 4 people can defeat 24 people, don't you think the 24 are doing something horrendously wrong?

I wouldn't describe choosing not to join a Discord light party on vc as doing something "horrendously wrong," particularly when FL is the only large-scale PvP mode that pops.

I would agree, however, that when a premade dominates an entire enemy alliance, that enemy alliance lacks highly-skilled players. Unfortunately, this is inevitable when players of all skill levels are placed on the same battlefield. This is why some form of MMR is used in most PvP modes/games.

[Exmo]

I wouldn't describe choosing not to join a Discord light party on vc as doing something "horrendously wrong," particularly when FL is the only large-scale PvP mode that pops.

I would agree, however, that when a premade dominates an entire enemy alliance, that enemy alliance lacks highly-skilled players. Unfortunately, this is inevitable when players of all skill levels are placed on the same battlefield. This is why some form of MMR is used in most PvP modes/games.

The thing is, it's not a case of 4 players defeating 24 players. Premades corral and pester the other 20 players on their team to obey the premade's designated strategy and follow the premade's chosen leader. With 20 allies backing them up, the 4 highly coordinated players can ensure they're always in the most advantageous position of their team, use their allies to pad their kills and assists, and leverage their allies as human shields before they sound the macro to retreat to guarantee they're always ahead of the crowd and with low risk of dying. These aren't "highly skilled" players in premades. Once you strip away the advantages of being in a discord call with 4 friends and having 20 bodyguards on the field, they're shown to be just above average.

[Mawlzy]

The thing is, it's not a case of 4 players defeating 24 players. Premades corral and pester the other 20 players on their team to obey the premade's designated strategy and follow the premade's chosen leader. With 20 allies backing them up, the 4 highly coordinated players can ensure they're always in the most advantageous position of their team, use their allies to pad their kills and assists, and leverage their allies as human shields before they sound the macro to retreat to guarantee they're always ahead of the crowd and with low risk of dying. These aren't "highly skilled" players in premades. Once you strip away the advantages of being in a discord call with 4 friends and having 20 bodyguards on the field, they're shown to be just above average.

Hmmm... I'd agree that a light party on voice doesn't need to be particularly skilled to dominate a match, but there are a handful of genuinely good shot-callers who have superior map awareness and recognize the best attack points based purely on spawn positions.

Whether one wishes to be ordered around by a self-appointed commander is a separate discussion, of course. I personally have issues with authority figures, particularly when I wasn't given the opportunity to vote for them.

[Exmo]

Hmmm... I'd agree that a light party on voice doesn't need to be particularly skilled to dominate a match, but there are a handful of genuinely good shot-callers who have superior map awareness and recognize the best attack points based purely on spawn positions.

Whether one wishes to be ordered around by a self-appointed commander is a separate discussion, of course. I personally have issues with authority figures, particularly when I wasn't given the opportunity to vote for them.

Tbh I don't view shot calling as a particularly advanced talent, personally. It takes a little practice and requires a little attention, yes, but having your map open and knowing the current score is like 70% of the job.