The state of the Game

[RoyLucaria]

I do love how it said that 7.2 is Hypothetical
Pretty sure we are in 7.2 and 7.3 is coming up.

[NightHour]

As someone who is still subscribed, My gripes with the game right now are as follows




1. Patch cycle length

19-20 weeks for what we get during a patch is too long.

I'd rather the graphics changes are done with an expansion launch compared to slowing down patch releases.

Patches in my opinion should be 15-16 weeks max.




2. Formulaic release schedule for patches

Oh it's a .3 patch, it's time for your next installment of the 24 man that takes an hour tops.

Every expansion we receive the same content every single patch.

There's no "surprise" or "mystery" to patches.



3. Content releasing unfinished, unpolished or not tested fully

This is something that's come to light specifically with the Occult Crescent and Forked Tower.

The amount of hotfix patches and hotfix maintenances we've had just for this 7.25 patch to address OC/FT issues is insane.



4. Content Longevity - referring to Criterion and Chaotic in particular

Criterion and Chaotic are great pieces of content, challenging and fun to do BUT they just lack any real replayability after a couple of clears once you've collected the mediocre rewards they offer.

Criterion should release on the same patch as a Savage Raid tier and should also offer a token on completion that allows you to buy 1 tomestone upgrade material once per week.

Tome weapon upgrades could require say 2-3 of these tokens to not skew the world races too much.

This only applies to Criterion and Criterion Savage - Does NOT apply to the easy mode Variant version.




5. Silly mechanics like the buff cap

It's not fun having a raid buff "miss" or your anti-knockback "dodge" because you're at the buff cap.

There's way more buffs now a days, 30 buff cap is not enough, it needs to be doubled.




6. Outdated mechanics like Ranged Tax

It's 2025, Ranged Tax is an outdated mechanic that has no place in modern day FFXIV.


WoW used to have a "Hybrid Tax" in 2009 which taxed jobs that could perform multiple roles but we can't do that on here.

WoW got rid of the "Hybrid Tax" in Wrath of the Lich King.



In modern day FFXIV - The reasons for a ranged tax existing are moot - Melee do not need to fight for uptime anywhere near as much as they used to, most mechanics now a days can be resolved at Max melee range.

Melee aren't just a bring damage class anymore, some but not all bring utility and raid buffs.

DRG brings a crit raid buff,
MNK brings damage buff, raidwide heal and a healing amp.
RPR brings a slightly weaker damage buff and an AOE regen.
Ninja brings a damage buff.

All Melee also bring Feint which is a damage reduction debuff.


In WoW - A good ranged DPS can easily stomp a bad melee and a good melee can easily stomp a bad ranged.


In XIV - A good ranged who isn't a PCT or BLM automatically loses to the bad melee.

[savarna]

I dont think its annoying to see this topic if your passionate about the game wanna see it get better ofvourse. What I'm struggling with understanding is how this pkayer base is deemed as a wholesome community.....when its not.

Ppl would rather see the game fail, report ppl for trying get the game back on track, get annoyed at post....if you dont like it dont comment on said post, and finally gaving a dev team who are literally tone death when it comes to the state of game.....im struggling to understand why you would destroy your cash cow for few clowns who dont care about this game.

My thoughts exactly. Even when it comes to giving actual and structured feedback, they take it too personal, clouded by their fanboyism to Yoshi P who they place on a pedestal mumbling the same mind-numbing things over like 'Stop playing it if you don't like it'. Unless the man is paying you, you're just part of a cult or a troll.

I wish these people would drill this into their troglodyte minds...WE ARE PAYING for the service, so we as customers, have the right to criticize it. Is just as easy as your favorite restaurant that you’ve been going to for ages and suddenly their food quality drops to garbage levels, you criticize it so they get back on track to what once made them good for you to eat there on repeat and even bring your family and friends. Why is this so hard to understand, is beyond?

Over time, this community has grown very toxic around this, so I don't even know how they still consider themselves 'Wholesome'.

[Shinku_Tachi]

My thoughts exactly. Even when it comes to giving actual and structured feedback, they take it too personal, clouded by their fanboyism to Yoshi P who they place on a pedestal mumbling the same mind-numbing things over like 'Stop playing it if you don't like it'. Unless the man is paying you, you're just part of a cult or a troll.

I wish these people would drill this into their troglodyte minds...WE ARE PAYING for the service, so we as customers, have the right to criticize it. Is just as easy as your favorite restaurant that you’ve been going to for ages and suddenly their food quality drops to garbage levels, you criticize it so they get back on track to what once made them good for you to eat there on repeat and even bring your family and friends. Why is this so hard to understand, is beyond?

Over time, this community has grown very toxic around this, so I don't even know how they still consider themselves 'Wholesome'.

Fortunately, for those hoping for some change. The backlash has been big enough that it was even brought up at a shareholders meeting. SE is 100% aware. The player data corroborates the backlash too, so it's long past the point of being able to be explained away by the toxic positivity crowd.

I'm optimistic they'll be able to course-correct tho. They have before, as you know.

[savarna]

Fortunately, for those hoping for some change. The backlash has been big enough that it was even brought up at a shareholders meeting. SE is 100% aware. The player data corroborates the backlash too, so it's long past the point of being able to be explained away by the toxic positivity crowd.

I'm optimistic they'll be able to course-correct tho. They have before, as you know.

Thank you! I will remain optimistic.

[Hallarem]

Fortunately, for those hoping for some change. The backlash has been big enough that it was even brought up at a shareholders meeting. SE is 100% aware. The player data corroborates the backlash too, so it's long past the point of being able to be explained away by the toxic positivity crowd.

I'm optimistic they'll be able to course-correct tho. They have before, as you know.

Question is, will they course correct in a large manner or will it be some pity crumbs like Viera and Hrotgar hair

[Striker44]

I dont think its annoying to see this topic if your passionate about the game wanna see it get better ofvourse. What I'm struggling with understanding is how this pkayer base is deemed as a wholesome community.....when its not.

Ppl would rather see the game fail, report ppl for trying get the game back on track, get annoyed at post....if you dont like it dont comment on said post, and finally gaving a dev team who are literally tone death when it comes to the state of game.....im struggling to understand why you would destroy your cash cow for few clowns who dont care about this game.

From my experience, I would definitely say the FFXIV community as a whole is a "wholesome" community. I just as definitely wouldn't say that about the select few of us that are here on the Forums. Combining the human nature aspect that people are more likely to speak up when they have a complaint compared to when they're satisfied with the anonymity of online forums, and you get a place that disproportionately attracts negativity, toxicity, and immaturity. (And based on your comment, I'd invite you to see the kind of response you get here if you dare to say anything positive about the game...)

Absolutely none of this is my experience with the community as a whole, which has been overwhelmingly positive in-game. Heck, I've been playing since 2015, and as my main MMO since 2021, and I'm pretty sure I can still count on one hand the number of "toxic" people I've met in-game. It's a huge breath of fresh air having previously been primarily a WoW player.

For the record, I also don't think anyone wants to see the game fail as you're trying to claim. There's a simple reality that when you have a playerbase with hundreds of thousands of people, you're going to have a wide variety of opinions. What would make the game "better" for one person could make it significantly "worse" for someone else. In the end, what we all really want is the dev's to design the game in a way that makes us personally happy. It throws a major red flag in my face when I see comments like I'm quoting here claiming that people "want to see the game fail" or "don't care about it" when all it really means is they have a different opinion. They also care and want to see it succeed, just as much as you do. It just means something different to them.

[Shinku_Tachi]

Question is, will they course correct in a large manner or will it be some pity crumbs like Viera and Hrotgar hair

I'd hope for the former, but I can't say.

What I can say is, something that would be nice, as a gesture of good faith, would be to release a survey to the community like Yoshi-P did when he went to work on 1.0

Just a long list of yea or nay and a/b/c questions (so the feedback isn't a cacophony of noise), addressing many of the grievances the community has brought forth over the last year, compare it with the player data, and implement them in the development of 8.0

It may not seem like much, but I feel like that would go a long way in restoring some trust between the players and Yoshi-P / CBU3

[Emitans]

I'd hope for the former, but I can't say.

What I can say is, something that would be nice, as a gesture of good faith, would be to release a survey to the community like Yoshi-P did when he went to work on 1.0

Just a long list of yea or nay and a/b/c questions (so the feedback isn't a cacophony of noise), addressing many of the grievances the community has brought forth over the last year, compare it with the player data, and implement them in the development of 8.0

It may not seem like much, but I feel like that would go a long way in restoring some trust between the players and Yoshi-P / CBU3

Crazy that FFXI, an MMO almost in maintenance mode with a tiny team and budget is surveying players, discussing the results, and acting on that feedback meanwhile FFXIV does not respond to feedback unless its literal death threats from 2chan.

[Mawlzy]

I'd hope for the former, but I can't say.

What I can say is, something that would be nice, as a gesture of good faith, would be to release a survey to the community like Yoshi-P did when he went to work on 1.0

Just a long list of yea or nay and a/b/c questions (so the feedback isn't a cacophony of noise), addressing many of the grievances the community has brought forth over the last year, compare it with the player data, and implement them in the development of 8.0

It may not seem like much, but I feel like that would go a long way in restoring some trust between the players and Yoshi-P / CBU3

The fact SE doesn't survey the FFXIV player base became a huge red flag for me that they simply don't care what we think or want.