For all those complaining about stale dungeons: from a beta player perspective

[Valence]

And SE in their usual fashion took upon to decide that if something is flawed, it's better to delete everything down to blandness instead of fixing it.

[Striker44]

And SE in their usual fashion took upon to decide that if something is flawed, it's better to delete everything down to blandness instead of fixing it.

How do you "fix" the humans that make up the playerbase?

[Supersnow845]

How do you "fix" the humans that make up the playerbase?

Acknowledge that there will always be conflict in a game where people play with each other and not attempt to remove all points of conflict for little change because people still argue?

[Shinku_Tachi]

Acknowledge that there will always be conflict in a game where people play with each other and not attempt to remove all points of conflict for little change because people still argue?

This is really a great point.

This game was saved back in the day by the devs *rationally* taking player feedback into account.

But, I've also seen games completely ruined by devs whose hearts were in the right place, trying to address *every* conflict and concern brought up in player feedback to appease everyone. There has to be balance, and listening is good, but deference should also be given to player data; because, while feedback is great, not all feedback is good or useful feedback.

[Valence]

How do you "fix" the humans that make up the playerbase?

There are things that can be addressed by how the layout works, and some that don't.
The exploratory part of it for example, will only work the first weeks at release until people decide "the meta" and everybody that deviates will be screamed at in parties.
But introducing variations through different paths chosen at random by the system or having a more dynamic layout is definitely a solution. There can also be map based specific objectives with a little rng involved like the prisoners back in CLL, forcing players to actually explore what has to be explored for said objectives. If said objectives yield more rewards (tomes, xp, and loot) then people will try to go for them.