Reminder for mentors.

[Miradelle]

It doesn't revolve around you either. If they have stance on, let the sprout try tanking. You've learned how to tank and hold aggro because people allowed you to learn, and you can return the same courtesy.

If it doesn't revolve around either, neither has the obligation to do what the other wants? Maybe the mentor queued for a roulette and wants to practice tanking? Would it be nice of them to let them tank it? Sure. There's also the probability that OP is mad, because people don't read chat and he's getting outdmged by mentors, who naturally rip threat.

[TaleraRistain]

If it doesn't revolve around either, neither has the obligation to do what the other wants? Maybe the mentor queued for a roulette and wants to practice tanking? Would it be nice of them to let them tank it? Sure. There's also the probability that OP is mad, because people don't read chat and he's getting outdmged by mentors, who naturally rip threat.

Then those mentors who have a 100 tank should make sure they know what shirking and stance dancing are. It's not remotely hard as an OT to control your aggro and still stay second in case the MT goes down.

[MayuAmakura]

Issue with mentors is that 95% of them are pure AFK people who gather at limsa in their new mods to show everyone on mare. They don't do anything. Novice chat is dead on most servers because God forbids that you say anything related to in-game content or ask for help. Everytime some sprout came and asked for trial help because queue time was 30 min to 1 hour+, they would get angry on sprout and tell:

''do it like its meant to be done! ; don't spam your pf here!!! ; novice chat isn't a place to get some easy help! If everyone asks for help, then people will never learn to do themselves!!!"

Then what happens is that their arguing process takes longer than what would trial take. But it's always easier to sit afk and tell a sprout that he is always wrong and mentors are always right. Then if you ask a genuine question, you get a lot of joke or sex joke responses and never a straight true answer. So they proceed to warn you that asking for pf help will be penalized and you will get kicked for help asking.

"Novice chat isn't a global chat, stop misusing it!!!". Then those same mentors proceed to talk about ERP and 18+ shenanigans they were doing... all openly in novice chat. What an irony.

This is why I can't respect mentors anymore (exception are those who actually want to help and fight against lazy mentors) because of how bad this system has become. Most have become mentors by spamming guildheists so then they become incredibly dumb at doing any harder content. Many mentors will actually suck at basic dps lmao.

[Valence]

Your novice chats sound dreadful.

[Jeeqbit]

Issue with mentors is that 95% of them are pure AFK people who gather at limsa

When you've played other MMORPGs with unmarked "veteran players" and played before the mentor system was implemented, you know that anything associated with "mentors" is actually just what "veteran players" do (or really anyone that just finished MSQ and gained a confident understanding of the game).

Most have become mentors by spamming guildheists

In my experience, most people don't bother becoming a battle mentor in an unnatural way. Usually, if they want to become a mentor quickly, they become a trade mentor instead. Maybe it's different in the region you play but here I really never get a sense that a battle mentor is a clueless new player that spammed guildhests and in most cases they can even talk to me about things from many expansions ago.

Many mentors will actually suck at basic dps lmao.

They can have sick days, bad days, bad pulls, they can be distracted, their cat can walk on their keyboard, they can be doing casual content while half-asleep, they can be leveling jobs they are unfamiliar or playing an unfamiliar job to challenge themselves and since they aren't used to those jobs, they get killed by things. There is also so much content in the game that without being me, most people wouldn't remember all the mechanics of 100+ dungeons, 12 years worth of trials and raids. Even I occasionally miss-time something when I've not done it for a while because there are just so many duties now.

While many mentors have done raiding in some form, at least tried an extreme trial, or done at least 1 tier, it's not particularly a requirement that they raid (and thus, that they play super optimally).

[Altina_Orion]

It doesn't revolve around you either. If they have stance on, let the sprout try tanking. You've learned how to tank and hold aggro because people allowed you to learn, and you can return the same courtesy.

What a mindless double standard. Are you kidding me? I cant main tank if i want to because i have to let someone else do it because they want to? Use your brain.

[Miradelle]

Then those mentors who have a 100 tank should make sure they know what shirking and stance dancing are. It's not remotely hard as an OT to control your aggro and still stay second in case the MT goes down.

Idk what this has to do with anything? The OP is complaining about not getting to MT, which he is not entitled to just by the virtue of being a sprout. If the mentor wants to tank, as in move the boss around and such, then they are allowed to do that, too.

99% of time mentors just don't read chat and do more dmg than OP, though.

[ArmaDragkun]

Idk what this has to do with anything? The OP is complaining about not getting to MT, which he is not entitled to just by the virtue of being a sprout. If the mentor wants to tank, as in move the boss around and such, then they are allowed to do that, too.

99% of time mentors just don't read chat and do more dmg than OP, though.

Love how you ignore pretty much everything I put in my post. I'm saying that by going out of your way to put on the mentor crown you are then willingly becoming a.. And I'll quote this again. "Be an exemplar for player etiquette."

What yes means when someone asks to blind tank a boss for their first time encounter as a mentor you say "Yeah sure go for it" making the mental note to give advice if they screw up and wipe the raid.

If you don't like doing that... Guess what? DON'T BE A MENTOR WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THAT TITLE AND ROLE.

Literally so many of the comments ignore the entire point of my post and want to try and push this whole agenda of "Oh OP just whines because he's not allowed to MT" No that's not the point. The point is the fact that as a mentor you are supposed to allow the other person to tank. That is literally part of the package of being a mentor.

If you want to MT and not allow a first timer to MT boss then take the damn crown off.

It's like volunteering to help someone drive and then refusing to allow them to drive. See the paradox? If you want to MT and you don't want to be and I'll quote it for the 5866th time "Be an exemplar for player etiquette." then take off the damn crown. Because that's what you SHOULD BE when you have the crown on.

It's honestly pathetic how many people are clearly mentors who are butthurt over the fact they feel called out for basically being an ego mentor. Who only want the rewards and the crown for their online ego. "Oh look at me I'm so super special and awesome because I have a little crown next to my name"

Frankly they should remove the crown. It's become one of the most toxic things people can become in this game since it's just used as a ego thing these days.

[ArmaDragkun]

I'm not saying I or anyone else should always be allowed to be MT and everyone else should "step aside" I'm merely pointing out that people who have the mentor crown on by choice should be held to a higher standard than non crown wearing players. That does then include allowing a first timer to MT a boss, especially when they ask respectfully.

Being a mentor is a role that one should be because they want to uphold a standard of kindness, helpfulness and support for other players. However as I've said in my post there is a clear sign that mentors have abandoned the duties that their role is supposed to uphold.

[Nero-Voidstails]

I'm not saying I or anyone else should always be allowed to be MT and everyone else should "step aside" I'm merely pointing out that people who have the mentor crown on by choice should be held to a higher standard than non crown wearing players. That does then include allowing a first timer to MT a boss, especially when they ask respectfully.

Being a mentor is a role that one should be because they want to uphold a standard of kindness, helpfulness and support for other players. However as I've said in my post there is a clear sign that mentors have abandoned the duties that their role is supposed to uphold.

well technically it is that and mentor if they break tos have way harsher punishment for breaking those rules.

that's a thing people often forget