We need more casual PvE content.

[hydralus]

And there is very little point in engaging with OC unless you're aiming to clear FT.

But I agree with your leading point. This is precisely why the content taken as a whole needs to be heavily weighted towards casual/non-raiding players. And in DT it's not.

The one notable exception is Cosmic Exploration which is... simply dross.

I've spent about 50 hours in OC without touching FT because I've been enjoying leveling the different jobs, hunting for carrots, farming for glams, testing out dope phantom job/base job combos, and the general sense of open world community it provides. Honestly don't even care about forked tower. The mount it gives is kinda ugly and I could just trade a few carrots worth of gil for the rewards if I really cared.

I bet if they didn't release forked tower at all nobody would have anything to complain about, but now that it's there, suddenly "the only point of engaging with OC is to do forked tower". Nope, some people legitimately just enjoy playing.

[ChrysOCE]

I've spent about 50 hours in OC without touching FT because I've been enjoying leveling the different jobs, hunting for carrots, farming for glams, testing out dope phantom job/base job combos, and the general sense of open world community it provides. Honestly don't even care about forked tower. The mount it gives is kinda ugly and I could just trade a few carrots worth of gil for the rewards if I really cared.

I bet if they didn't release forked tower at all nobody would have anything to complain about, but now that it's there, suddenly "the only point of engaging with OC is to do forked tower". Nope, some people legitimately just enjoy playing.

Not really. If they released OC with no raid, it would just be an incomplete field ops. I think everyone was expecting there to be a raid at the end and there would have been an outcry if there was nothing. They know how popular CLL was, with BSF. It beggars belief they didn't repeat that.

[hydralus]

Not really. If they released OC with no raid, it would just be an incomplete field ops. I think everyone was expecting there to be a raid at the end and there would have been an outcry if there was nothing. They know how popular CLL was, with BSF. It beggars belief they didn't repeat that.

You're probably right actually, I've got no argument against that. Still, saying there's no point without a raid at the end is pretty reductive.

[Volgia]

If anything this game needs more hardcore PvE content. Like a hard version of the leveling dungeons and experts, a hard version of the 24 man dungeons, etcera.

Hardcore raiders share "Normal casual mode" with everything in this game except Ultimate and Chaotic, the moment they do anything that's specifically hardcore it gets them the stink eye so here we are living in our best slop era.

[Exinias]

This is how I've felt, too. DT has been good if you enjoy high-end content, but for the other 80% it's been ehhhh. Base content and difficulty of DT content is perfect but everything else has missed its mark for me.

I enjoyed DT just fine the first 3 weeks but then they removed Noxious Gnash from VPR for Savage and future content (That still irritates me, honestly) and ever since I just haven't even been able to pick a main for this expansion and a lot of care and trust I had for the game went away with that, which sounds silly, but it's true. So, of course I was enjoying the other new stuff from the release of the expansion, but 2-3 months after release, there hasn't been much for me until OC came out, but a good bit of people stopped once we found out how unfriendly FT was.

So basically, yeah, we got an alliance raid in 7.1, which I did a ton, but we got Chaotic which ended up just being savage 24-man (Imagine if we actually got a fight as fun as P2, but nah, we got P3). This was 1 month after an Ultimate came out, too.

Then they released OC, but made it so casuals who don't want to do anything can just do fates, cool, but then made the "raid/dungeon" hardcore.

They keep leaving the middle class/mid-core players behind.

OC is middle class/mid-core, but then encourages people to not do it because some would rather level their jobs while doing fates. They could have done OC as a zone where you could level your jobs and play the game, but because FT exists in the same instance and requires everyone to be lvl 100, it couldn't be done that way.

Shame.

Too many L's because they're making everything that's not a dungeon or trial essentially savage content that requires studying outside of the game and 3 hours of communicating to find a group.

That's not fun.

I understand it's an MMO, but I did less communication for my Master's degree.

[Valence]

I bet if they didn't release forked tower at all nobody would have anything to complain about, but now that it's there, suddenly "the only point of engaging with OC is to do forked tower". Nope, some people legitimately just enjoy playing.

It's not like there has been countless threads about fate scaling, the fate/CE train that has no brakes, the rng atmas, the silver/gold currency imbalances, the monsters on the map that do nothing and the lack of threat, the lack of story, how phantoms compare to logograms and lost actions, etc.