We need more casual PvE content.

[AntoniusQuil]

I feel like this patch season has just not enough causal combat content. So far we got just normal versions of raids and trials (plus one alliance raid so far).

Occult crescent was supposed to be this casual combat content. But after Bozja which had some really good casual content like Castrum, Delubrum (which is still my favourite raid in the game) and Dalariada. This time for some reason we got savage only Forked Tower which provides no casual content, leaving the casuals in occult crescent only with encounters, fates and grinding regular mobs, so much less than in case of Bozja.

It’s getting kinda annoying that it seems like the part of the dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

[Bryson]

dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

Good joke. I needed a laugh.

[AntoniusQuil]

Good joke. I needed a laugh.

Where’s the lie tho?

- savage tier which I see majority of savage riders being really happy with

- new ultimate

- new chaotic raid - which is a completely new savage mode

- and now forked tower.

Meanwhile casual players got only standard stuff like normal tier raids and alliance raids.

[Bryson]

Where’s the lie tho?

- savage tier which I see majority of savage riders being really happy with

- new ultimate

- new chaotic raid - which is a completely new savage mode

- and now forked tower.

Meanwhile casual players got only standard stuff like normal tier raids and alliance raids.

1. Someone can be happy with the tier irrespective of whether they think they are "hardcore" or not.
2. Ultimate(s) have existed since SB so nothing new here.. also FRU released like 8 months ago
3. Chaotic is spammed in PF by people of varying raiding backgrounds. Chaotic = Savage is hilariously reductive.
4. My Forked Tower reclears are full of people who don't do savage or ultimates.

Casuals can do a lot of things.. whether they choose to or not is entirely up to them. Disinterest in x for reasons y isn't the same thing as "there's no content for us casuals."

[Kohashi]

Where’s the lie tho?

- savage tier which I see majority of savage riders being really happy with

- new ultimate

- new chaotic raid - which is a completely new savage mode

- and now forked tower.

Meanwhile casual players got only standard stuff like normal tier raids and alliance raids.

Who's ALT are you..lol...

FATES, crafting, OC, EX, new dungeons, new alliance raid, society quests, maps, elite marks (Hunts), Pvp adjustments, class quests, Normal Raid series, Side quests, UR, sitting AFK in Limsa 99% of the time... yet you dare to talk about savage that is released once every 10 months.

The absolute audacity to even bring savage into discussion and make this a "casual" vs "hardcore" argument. God forbid you try "hardcore" content instead of spamming forums with nonsense.

Oh no, people are having fun, we cannot have that now, can we?

[Kaurhz]

Who's ALT are you..lol...

FATES, crafting, OC, EX, new dungeons, new alliance raid, society quests, maps, elite marks (Hunts), Pvp adjustments, class quests, Normal Raid series, Side quests, UR, sitting AFK in Limsa 99% of the time... yet you dare to talk about savage that is released once every 10 months.

The absolute audacity to even bring savage into discussion and make this a "casual" vs "hardcore" argument. God forbid you try "hardcore" content instead of spamming forums with nonsense.

Oh no, people are having fun, we cannot have that now, can we?

Not that I disagree in principle with an issue of a savage raid released every 10 months, but I don't really think you should be stating that in the same sentence as arguing half of those items being content, like... literally..

PvP adjustments? Do you know *how long* it actually takes for PvP to see any worthwhile adjustments? lol, arguing this is literally the same as calling PvE adjustments content.

New alliance raids that literally don't fit anywhere in their reward structure because they are the same item level as non-augment tomestone gear, also released on an equivalent pathetically long patch cycle..

Society quests and class quests? Are you joking LOL, you do this once, and then forget they even exist, literally.

Elite Marks? 90% of that content is literally Aetheryte camping.

The absolute audacity to even bring half of these into discussion when your follow-up statement is an issue with savage (Not that I disagree), but both of these being present is beyond peak irony. God forbid people actually try to expect quality from a game that has been in service for well over a decade. So yes, people should spam forums with 'nonsense'

Oh no, people are trying to give developers feedback (even if I disagree with it), we cannot have that now, can we?

[TeresaFortell]

I feel like this patch season has just not enough causal combat content. So far we got just normal versions of raids and trials (plus one alliance raid so far).

Occult crescent was supposed to be this casual combat content. But after Bozja which had some really good casual content like Castrum, Delubrum (which is still my favourite raid in the game) and Dalariada. This time for some reason we got savage only Forked Tower which provides no casual content, leaving the casuals in occult crescent only with encounters, fates and grinding regular mobs, so much less than in case of Bozja.

It’s getting kinda annoying that it seems like the part of the dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

Take it with a grain of salt, but they did mention that "cost" was a factor that led them not to have a normal version of FTB. Frankly, they should have known that this would undoubtedly alienate many players.

[AntoniusQuil]

Take it with a grain of salt, but they did mention that "cost" was a factor that led them not to have a normal version of FTB. Frankly, they should have known that this would undoubtedly alienate many players.

I recall them saying something like that but in such case they should have made only normal FTB, not the other way around. Seeing how they already added completely new savage content in the previous patch. Stuff like that is why casual players kinda feel like an afterthought for the part of the dev team responsible for combat content.

[CidHeiral]

Stuff like that is why casual players kinda feel like an afterthought for the part of the dev team responsible for combat content.

They just released an entire zone that is 99% casual combat content. Next patch they're adding a new alliance raid, a new dungeon, a new normal trial, and a new deep dungeon, which is to say nothing of all the non-combat casual content. Seems pretty silly to say all of that is an afterthought.

[TalithaSolarien]

They just released an entire zone that is 99% casual combat content. Next patch they're adding a new alliance raid, a new dungeon, a new normal trial, and a new deep dungeon, which is to say nothing of all the non-combat casual content. Seems pretty silly to say all of that is an afterthought.

A combat zone that is utterly useless for casual players after you collected your Atmas (Phantom Jobs are absolutely useless unless you want to try FT, which is currently only organized by some Discords and mostly are only reclears).
An Alliance Raid which you only run once per week for the coin, a new dungeon only relevant once per patch, a new trial without any rewards which you run only once per patch and a new deep dungeon which (if they continue the trend from Orthos) wont't be casual content easier.

The dev team really has (for quite some time) problems designing new interesting casual content that is actually worthwhile doing.