Why did Forked Tower reuse the BA entry system LOL

[Maltothoris]

So at that anime expo that happened, we got a few more details https://www.rpgsite.net/interview/17...ward-to-future Most of it is about the future but he did make a few comments on OC and FT.

"I do feel that Forked Tower: Blood was a misstep in development. It wasn't meant to be hardcore content, so to speak. The intention was that it might be more difficult at first, but over time more players might be willing to take on the challenge; yet, in the end we made it too difficult for players to even get into the raid in the first place. That's why we're making adjustments with 7.3, and why some of those adjustments were pushed even earlier than that. [...] That's why we're revising our roadmap to account for this feedback in patch 7.5." Yoshida also reflected that the team may have been putting too much focus on a player's individual responsibility, and how a single person's failure could have such a profound impact on the whole party. They regret that they weren't able to strike that balance they had intended for the content.

[Darkstride]

Also, Shades Triangle is just Bozja 2.0 aka Eureka 3.0 aka FATEs 4.0 yeah? I got that prediction right yeah?

There wasn't much to predict. We knew it was going to be another field operation when it was announced. No one should have been surprised that it functions the same way.

[TeresaFortell]

Someone fill me in. What did the devs say LMFAO

Also, Shades Triangle is just Bozja 2.0 aka Eureka 3.0 aka FATEs 4.0 yeah? I got that prediction right yeah?

They took a piece out of every content and turned it into an amalgamation of everything, resembling nothing.

[XtremePrime]

I'll get so much flak for this, but I still think OC is the best iteration of both Eureka and Bozja. I don't enjoy the limited nature of both logos and lost actions, with logos being downright bad.
They just need to stop being so frightful of OPness and lean into making phantom powers a little bit crazier/fun and to adjust FTB to also have a more casual friendly normal mode for people to be able to group together and try, as it seems it was intended by the new interview

[Supersnow845]

I'll get so much flak for this, but I still think OC is the best iteration of both Eureka and Bozja. I don't enjoy the limited nature of both logos and lost actions, with logos being downright bad.
They just need to stop being so frightful of OPness and lean into making phantom powers a little bit crazier/fun and to adjust FTB to also have a more casual friendly normal mode for people to be able to group together and try, as it seems it was intended by the new interview

Lost actions being limited is exactly why they were allowed to be powerful. Since phantom jobs have no limits and no restrictions if they were super powerful then that wouldn’t be “power” it would just be an expected baseline

Like let’s say that the “average” phantom job made you 50% more powerful, since there is no limits to phantom jobs then everyone is 50% more powerful so nobody is; it’s precisely why mastery stacks are nearly meaningless. Because everyone being 24% more powerful just means everything is balanced around everyone being 24% more powerful than base ilvl 700 sync

[Valence]

So at that anime expo that happened, we got a few more details https://www.rpgsite.net/interview/17...ward-to-future Most of it is about the future but he did make a few comments on OC and FT.

Cue in, PVE will get the dungeon treatment because the only way their current binary DDR pve has to actually bring any modicum of difficulty is by putting some individual responsibility on players (aka the infamous body checks).
No wonder they're stuck in this perpetual loop of overshooting or undershooting difficulty goals. *sigh*

[TeresaFortell]

Lost actions being limited is exactly why they were allowed to be powerful. Since phantom jobs have no limits and no restrictions if they were super powerful then that wouldn’t be “power” it would just be an expected baseline

Like let’s say that the “average” phantom job made you 50% more powerful, since there is no limits to phantom jobs then everyone is 50% more powerful so nobody is; it’s precisely why mastery stacks are nearly meaningless. Because everyone being 24% more powerful just means everything is balanced around everyone being 24% more powerful than base ilvl 700 sync

Another possible reason they didn't make phantom jobs super powerful is that they were tuned for players who would be partaking in FTB. So, if you had too many overpowered phantom jobs, it would make the "hard" content too "easy".

[Supersnow845]

Another possible reason they didn't make phantom jobs super powerful is that they were tuned for players who would be partaking in FTB. So, if you had too many overpowered phantom jobs, it would make the "hard" content too "easy".

That could easily be countered by just internally balancing forked around it like how it’s already balanced around the current phantom mastery stacks (especially dead stars who straight up can’t be killed till all their mechanics are done)

Forked is easy to tune to inherent power of jobs, wider OC isn’t

[TeresaFortell]

That could easily be countered by just internally balancing forked around it like how it’s already balanced around the current phantom mastery stacks (especially dead stars who straight up can’t be killed till all their mechanics are done)

Forked is easy to tune to inherent power of jobs, wider OC isn’t

My assumption is that they would not want to balance FT because, as I recall, they want FT to be challenging content for the player base. They could do what DRS did, such as everyone could use a different version of the phantom jobs when doing FT.

[Supersnow845]

My assumption is that they would not want to balance FT because, as I recall, they want FT to be challenging content for the player base. They could do what DRS did, such as everyone could use a different version of the phantom jobs when doing FT.

I mean if they wanted to make phantom jobs “strong” but didn’t want that to neuter forked’s difficulty then they simply could have made forked’s damage checks proportionally higher

Like if currently the average phantom job makes you “10% stronger” and they changed it to being “50% stronger” they could just make forked’s enrages 40% harsher

My point being forked being “difficult” isn’t why they made phantom jobs weak, it’s just because if everyone is 50% stronger nobody is 50% stronger, forked can be internally balanced Around anyway