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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    What's interesting about that, is that in 7.1 we had Gulool Ja's story of trying to learn about his parents. Only after Zoraal Ja's death did we get a story that needs him to be a person, so the humanizing scenes of him only come posthumously, and only in relation to what needs to further Gulool Ja's story. It really demonstrates that it's not that they failed to make Zoraal Ja relatable at first: it's that they refused to, until it suited the story they were telling.
    While I doubt that it was the writers' intention for Zoraal'Ja to be completely unrelatable in 7.0 (and even if it was, it didn't really work for most people I've talked to), I personally completely agree with you that 7.1 retroactively helped make Zoraal'Ja a more 'real' character.
    In my opinion that is the same thing Calyx needs. He's arguably a complex character with a very long history and plenty of influence, but we've only known him for one patch, which is not a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thighland View Post
    While I doubt that it was the writers' intention for Zoraal'Ja to be completely unrelatable in 7.0 (and even if it was, it didn't really work for most people I've talked to), I personally completely agree with you that 7.1 retroactively helped make Zoraal'Ja a more 'real' character.
    In my opinion that is the same thing Calyx needs. He's arguably a complex character with a very long history and plenty of influence, but we've only known him for one patch, which is not a lot.
    I feel that is one of the interesting elements where he is concerned though. As you say, we haven't known him long but it's made clear that he's been watching us for quite a while. Difficult to pinpoint exactly when we caught his attention but I'd argue it has been at least since we rammed a train into Everkeep's front door and defeated everything Vanguard threw at us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    I feel that is one of the interesting elements where he is concerned though. As you say, we haven't known him long but it's made clear that he's been watching us for quite a while. Difficult to pinpoint exactly when we caught his attention but I'd argue it has been at least since we rammed a train into Everkeep's front door and defeated everything Vanguard threw at us.
    I mean, that's the earliest point he could have known about us since our contact with Alexandria was nonexistent until then.

    That said Calyx's interest in us seems to have been piqued by our defeat of Queen Eternal at the end of 7.0, if his comment during the Valia Pira fight ("I'm beginning to understand how you were able to defeat Queen Eternal.") is anything to go on. Our indomitability is clearly something he hasn't accounted for so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I mean, that's the earliest point he could have known about us since our contact with Alexandria was nonexistent until then.

    That said Calyx's interest in us seems to have been piqued by our defeat of Queen Eternal at the end of 7.0, if his comment during the Valia Pira fight ("I'm beginning to understand how you were able to defeat Queen Eternal.") is anything to go on. Our indomitability is clearly something he hasn't accounted for so far.
    Technically, if Calyx is capable of controlling alexandrian sentries like Endless Sphene was (which is likely), he could've known about us since the attack on Tuliyolal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thighland View Post
    Technically, if Calyx is capable of controlling alexandrian sentries like Endless Sphene was (which is likely), he could've known about us since the attack on Tuliyolal.
    Plausibly, the literal very earliest time he could've known to look out for us in the first place was after Zoraal Ja crossed through the gate and presumably shared his experiences. That wouldn't be an especially informative experience on us, but he was at least around to see us in the Valigarmanda fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thighland View Post
    Technically, if Calyx is capable of controlling alexandrian sentries like Endless Sphene was (which is likely), he could've known about us since the attack on Tuliyolal.
    Not certain on that front. Whilst you're correct about the Sentries, I don't recall 'us' coming into direct contact with any during that first attack on Tuliyolal. We didn't participate in defending Tuliyolal during that attack as our goal was to reach the palace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Not certain on that front. Whilst you're correct about the Sentries, I don't recall 'us' coming into direct contact with any during that first attack on Tuliyolal. We didn't participate in defending Tuliyolal during that attack as our goal was to reach the palace.
    We did look at some broken sentries close-up, though I suppose it's not certain if their visors were still active
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