Forked Tower premade patch coming before 7.3

[LegendWait]

FT isn't hard.. my reclears are full of casuals. You're out of touch.

Its not as hard as it is inconvenient and punishing.

I doubt your casuals makes zero effort to learn the content before stepping in your run, therefore not casuals and the average people usually don't have the luxury of having 99 percentile peoples helping them clear stuff.

But my hat's off to you for helping out the community.

[Bryson]

Its not as hard as it is inconvenient and punishing.

I doubt your casuals makes zero effort to learn the content before stepping in your run, therefore not casuals and the average people usually don't have the luxury of having 99 percentile peoples helping them clear stuff.

But my hat's off to you for helping out the community.

casuals is just a wide poool. Not every casual is lazy and entitled.

also what does percentiles have to do with FT lol? the dps checks are basically non existent. FT is at best, extreme difficulty. .the only obnoxious part was getting all 6 parties in the same instance.

[LegendWait]

casuals is just a wide poool. Not every casual is lazy and entitled.

also what does percentiles have to do with FT lol? the dps checks are basically non existent. FT is at best, extreme difficulty. .the only obnoxious part was getting all 6 parties in the same instance.

I mean... I see some scary DPS fluctuations in Dead stars snowballs/towers all the time, it can get scary real fast when too many people dies or only have 2-3 phantom jobs mastered, which is what getting to knowledge 20 will usually get you.

[Bryson]

I mean... I see some scary DPS fluctuations in Dead stars snowballs/towers all the time, it can get scary real fast when too many people dies or only have 2-3 phantom jobs mastered, which is what getting to knowledge 20 will usually get you.

better prep a chemist

[Bryson]

Well I do endgame and I'm against using Discord as well because I don't feel like we really need it so it should be treated like an optional tool and when content is designed to push people toward it exclusively that's bad design. It will remain to be seen after this update if we start to see PF groups for OC or if it will remain mostly organized in Discords.

When I say do endgame, I mean clear savage and ultimates. People vehemently against discord even being an option, typically engage in neither of those (by engage I mean clear them, not just queue up).

0% of those supposed pf groups will clear if they don't use discord. Anyone thinking otherwise, hasn't cleared FT. It will 100% remain mostly organized in discords, which is fine, because discord isn't a big deal in 2025.

If their disdain for discord trumps clearing FT, so be it. Weird hill to die on imo.

[TaleraRistain]

When I say do endgame, I mean clear savage and ultimates. People vehemently against discord even being an option, typically engage in neither of those (by engage I mean clear them, not just queue up).

0% of those supposed pf groups will clear if they don't use discord. Anyone thinking otherwise, hasn't cleared FT. It will 100% remain mostly organized in discords, which is fine, because discord isn't a big deal in 2025.

If their disdain for discord trumps clearing FT, so be it. Weird hill to die on imo.

This is my main character. You can look me up on Tomestone or that other forbidden site. I clear Savage, my friend.

And from what I'm hearing and why this fix has been so urgent, JP doesn't really use Discord and has been just avoiding FT because of it. So your second statement will be interesting to see what happens there when they don't have nearly the same Discord dependency that other regions have. They do rely on macros but NA and EU are also perfectly able to utlize macros and raidplans and sites like wtfdig.

[Bryson]

This is my main character. You can look me up on Tomestone or that other forbidden site. I clear Savage, my friend.

And from what I'm hearing and why this fix has been so urgent, JP doesn't really use Discord and has been just avoiding FT because of it. So your second statement will be interesting to see what happens there when they don't have nearly the same Discord dependency that other regions have. They do rely on macros but NA and EU are also perfectly able to utlize macros and raidplans and sites like wtfdig.

sorry when I say you, I don't mean you specifically.

yeah i'm speaking strictly with regards to NA. JP could macro FT into oblivion and just assign everything. Thing is, having played on JP as well when I lived there, not pulling your weight is frowned upon. The NA "you don't pay my sub" attitude wouldn't fly there.

I don't see pf clearing FT outside of discord becoming a norm on NA. There's just too much little things inside FT that discord helps with. Maybe if NA's attitudes wasn't "I can't be bothered to study up on mechs before hand" I'd feel differently.

[TaleraRistain]

I don't see pf clearing FT outside of discord becoming a norm on NA. There's just too much little things inside FT that discord helps with. Maybe if NA's attitudes wasn't "I can't be bothered to study up on mechs before hand" I'd feel differently.

Plenty of people in Savage PF do that, though. You have some that just kinda want a carry and you can identify those pretty easily since they don't have a clue what to do up to the PF's prog point but most I run into outside of blind runs have watched the videos or looked at raidplans and do have a general understanding of what's expected. So I'm not entirely convinced that we wouldn't be able to do this in PF similarly to how we did Chaotic. I'm going to be watching to see if public PFs pop up and if we get sites with raidplans and such.

It's not a perfect solution and this really needed a normal mode that was more accessible to the general playerbase, though. Even if we can PF it, it's still going to be content out of the reach of players who have been looking forward the most to it and getting the least this expansion.

[LegendWait]

Plenty of people in Savage PF do that, though. You have some that just kinda want a carry and you can identify those pretty easily since they don't have a clue what to do up to the PF's prog point but most I run into outside of blind runs have watched the videos or looked at raidplans and do have a general understanding of what's expected. So I'm not entirely convinced that we wouldn't be able to do this in PF similarly to how we did Chaotic. I'm going to be watching to see if public PFs pop up and if we get sites with raidplans and such.

It's not a perfect solution and this really needed a normal mode that was more accessible to the general playerbase, though. Even if we can PF it, it's still going to be content out of the reach of players who have been looking forward the most to it and getting the least this expansion.

This 48 peoples in a query system that takes about 30 minutes just to set up. This aint pf where you can simply kick and replace someone whos trying to get carried and get back in instance. It should tho.

Asking people to pull up with this is too much.

[Bryson]

Plenty of people in Savage PF do that, though. You have some that just kinda want a carry and you can identify those pretty easily since they don't have a clue what to do up to the PF's prog point but most I run into outside of blind runs have watched the videos or looked at raidplans and do have a general understanding of what's expected. So I'm not entirely convinced that we wouldn't be able to do this in PF similarly to how we did Chaotic. I'm going to be watching to see if public PFs pop up and if we get sites with raidplans and such.

It's not a perfect solution and this really needed a normal mode that was more accessible to the general playerbase, though. Even if we can PF it, it's still going to be content out of the reach of players who have been looking forward the most to it and getting the least this expansion.

savage is 8 people. ft is 48. it's hard to explain if you haven't done FT, but too much things can go wrong inside (not even necessarily the bosses themselves) that imo, all but guarantee, pf will not clear outside of discord (assuming the group isn't full of people who've cleared already).