Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
Plenty of people in Savage PF do that, though. You have some that just kinda want a carry and you can identify those pretty easily since they don't have a clue what to do up to the PF's prog point but most I run into outside of blind runs have watched the videos or looked at raidplans and do have a general understanding of what's expected. So I'm not entirely convinced that we wouldn't be able to do this in PF similarly to how we did Chaotic. I'm going to be watching to see if public PFs pop up and if we get sites with raidplans and such.

It's not a perfect solution and this really needed a normal mode that was more accessible to the general playerbase, though. Even if we can PF it, it's still going to be content out of the reach of players who have been looking forward the most to it and getting the least this expansion.
savage is 8 people. ft is 48. it's hard to explain if you haven't done FT, but too much things can go wrong inside (not even necessarily the bosses themselves) that imo, all but guarantee, pf will not clear outside of discord (assuming the group isn't full of people who've cleared already).