SE Why are you so bad at making content fun for healers?

[Naychan]

Or why do you hate haling classes so much that you farm out their abilities to everybody else?

Before you reply realize, I'm aware of how big the dev team is. I'm also aware that FFXIV is the largest paid sub MMO in the world at the moment and they don't hire new devs and they farm alot of cash out to other projects, insted of actually making this game better. I respect the dev team and their work and I blame cooperate for most of the short falls of the game (but not all).

Improving the game only gets them more subs and makes us stay subbed longer but insted we are getting content released at longer intervals and there is less of it. Making many of us look at other games and trust me we, are not all looking at square games.

If only Square Enix was a triple A game publisher..............oh wait.

[Derio]

They are actively hiring. Dont expect anything until 8.0

Battle content this expansion has been good for healers to an extent, but the core problem of the jobs and how they play is still a problem.

[Eastwall]

I heard they want to reduce player friction So it became like that... I was on jp server for a while. So, l ran into some bizarre healer that just couldn't heal you. It was aurue vale. I pulled all the way to the first room. All healer has to do was to spam cure 2. But somehow certain people just couldn't do it. I was infuriated and kept pulling to the first room with one pull. After Few wipes, someone Left, then l Left Too. So, probably letting Tank become blue healer and making healer irrelevant is because se want to reduce friction When you get bizarre people like this.

[Supersnow845]

Beyond my 8020591069 other problems with healers I’m so sick of field content (which is content I normally enjoy) taking rezz away from healers just to give it back to them as some boring package that does nothing else

Like DRS gave rezz restrictions then made healers use pure essence of the divine who’s only positive effect was making lost arise work 10% of the time in DRS.

Now forked removes rezz then gives it to chemist who is usually played by a healer. Chemist’s only useful ability (unless you want to fiendhunter cure 2 the DRK and empty your bank account) is the ability to raise…….the ability they just removed from healers


Like what is the fascination by giving healers nothing by default then taking away one of their only real niches only to give it back to them in the most boring package possible while tanks and DPS are playing around with lost blood rage and phantom oracle

[Altina_Orion]

In savages i find them to be quite fun and engaging. In casual content every job sucks, but healers are redundant. Sounds like and looks like from your publicly available data that you havent even attempted the savages so I'm not sure where you are coming from.

This reads "The game is too easy on easy mode"

Yeah, of course. Try playing challenging content and let me know what your opinion is then.

[PercibelTheren]

In savages i find them to be quite fun and engaging. In casual content every job sucks, but healers are redundant. Sounds like and looks like from your publicly available data that you havent even attempted the savages so I'm not sure where you are coming from.

This reads "The game is too easy on easy mode"

Yeah, of course. Try playing challenging content and let me know what your opinion is then.

Healing in Savage is only fun during prog, though. Or when things are going south. Otherwise it's "throw out OGCD heal when scheduled AoE shows up".

[Supersnow845]

Isn’t it incredible we’ve reached a point where saying “in casual content every job sucks” and that’s actually a defense of awful healer design pushing people towards savage (where healers aren’t particularly fun either people have got to decouple their enjoyment of savage as a fight with their enjoyment of the job they play in savage because it’s not remotely the same thing) rather than a damming criticism of wider job design

And like I said healers aren’t even good in savage, you aren’t enjoying playing a healer, you are enjoying playing a hard fight. It isn’t the same thing

[Altina_Orion]

Isn’t it incredible we’ve reached a point where saying “in casual content every job sucks” and that’s actually a defense of awful healer design pushing people towards savage (where healers aren’t particularly fun either people have got to decouple their enjoyment of savage as a fight with their enjoyment of the job they play in savage because it’s not remotely the same thing) rather than a damming criticism of wider job design

And like I said healers aren’t even good in savage, you aren’t enjoying playing a healer, you are enjoying playing a hard fight. It isn’t the same thing

I'm not sure this is 100% sure. I mean, even in normal dungeons you can basically just stand still and get hit with everything and still be fine. "Normal mode" content isn't normal mode, its moreso story mode. The devs continue to make normal mode content engaging at all. The reason they do this though is because they want a monkey to be able to finish MSQ. They design this game's normal content to be like an infinite runner game with no obstacles and it is rather absurd, but these issues arent exclusive to healer.

[Supersnow845]

I'm not sure this is 100% sure. I mean, even in normal dungeons you can basically just stand still and get hit with everything and still be fine. "Normal mode" content isn't normal mode, its moreso story mode. The devs continue to make normal mode content engaging at all. The reason they do this though is because they want a monkey to be able to finish MSQ. They design this game's normal content to be like an infinite runner game with no obstacles and it is rather absurd, but these issues arent exclusive to healer.

Sure but this most negatively affects healers because healers don’t have anything to do when they aren’t needed and they are the only role who’s main mechanic can be seen as a downside when it’s not needed

When a tank is doing casual content they still have a full rotation, there is never a downside to them pressing their mitigation or mitigating another. When a DPS is doing casual content they still have their rotation, there is never a downside to them pressing their utility or fiddling with their optimisation points

When a healer is doing casual content they get broil spam and are actively disincentivised from pressing any heal button that interacts with the healing GCD

this comes back to my point about enjoying content vs enjoying the class you are playing the content on. Casual content is by and large boring but tanks and DPS remain broadly functional, healers don’t, in high end content tanks and DPS retain their broadly functional class design but also get the better encounters, healers meanwhile lean entirely on the better high end encounter design because their design is by and large not functional. This also links to why people are disappointed with phantom jobs; because phantom jobs don’t really make classes more broadly fun than they already were

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Look at we go - Tell that to players who don’t dabble into savage: “Well your content isn’t supposed to be fun because it’s not high end. It’s supposed to be boring, a chore.”

That’s what it sounds like. Imagine playing a game to be bored.

Sarcasm aside, good amount of us had done that in the past. Clear tiers, logging perhaps, etc. It’s still boring. I’d even argue that sometimes normal mode are ‘more fun (subjective)’ than the high ends because they actually let you do funny stuffs like debuff cancellation with shields whereas savages actively discourages you from playing off the script just to reach the same end.

Maybe only M6S that tickles some of that dopamine in recent times. But just one floor amongst the sea of fast food junkies? Yeah that ain’t gonna cut it, much less when you realize our toolkits remains thoughtless even in that fight.