Playing dungeons with a friend + NPCs

[Yasuu]

For me (and a friend) it would be so nice if they would add a possibility to play with a friend(s) + NPCs in dungeons.
They added the system to play dungeons with NPCs but you have to go alone, I don't get it. It would be more fun to play with 1 or 2 friends and to add an NPC to make the party full.
I hope this will be an option any time :-)

[Jeeqbit]

Common request for sure. Seen it made many times.

[Underscore]

No more NPCs, please. Duty support needs to be removed for the sake of the game.

[Nero-Voidstails]

what I would like to see is having a NPC take the missing role point like trust but you can invite friend. other then that I am against it

[KihmiJ]

Das wäre schön!

[TaleraRistain]

Yeah it's a common request and one I'm fully behind. Would love to be able to group up with my much more casual husband and get Duty Support to fill in missing roles. We do fine with normal queues now or he tries it alone in Duty Support but it would be so much better if we could progress together without having to open him to the toxicity that can be found in Duty Finder.

[VeyaAkemi]

No more NPCs, please. Duty support needs to be removed for the sake of the game.

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from, maybe the devs said it in which cause they were lying, maybe it was some assumption someone made due to dungeon reworks coinciding with Duty Support being introduced, either way, think about it for a moment, with the right script, you are capable of outright automating an Ultimate, it's a known issue, so why would any given dungeon be a problem? they don't even have to play by the same rules as the player, Thancred and Urianger outright cheat in the tightrope segment of Dohn Mheg by simply teleporting/jumping across, and this isn't because they can't do it, because Alisaie can do the mechanic just fine(after failing once), and Ryne can attempt the mechanic and always fail(because she is too nervous about it and will move too slowly), so if a mechanic is too complex for their AI, they can just fake the AI doing it and have it cheat, it's actually that simple.

I swear to god people repeat this purely because they need a scapegoat to vent their frustrations over...

[TaleraRistain]

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from, maybe the devs said it in which cause they were lying, maybe it was some assumption someone made due to dungeon reworks coinciding with Duty Support being introduced, either way, think about it for a moment, with the right script, you are capable of outright automating an Ultimate, it's a known issue, so why would any given dungeon be a problem? they don't even have to play by the same rules as the player, Thancred and Urianger outright cheat in the tightrope segment of Dohn Mheg by simply teleporting/jumping across, and this isn't because they can't do it, because Alisaie can do the mechanic just fine(after failing once), and Ryne can attempt the mechanic and always fail(because she is too nervous about it and will move too slowly), so if a mechanic is too complex for their AI, they can just fake the AI doing it and have it cheat, it's actually that simple.

I swear to god people repeat this purely because they need a scapegoat to vent their frustrations over...

The devs never said this. Players started this assumption because there were changes made when dungeons went to Duty Support. And they always focus on the things that are different that may have been taken away instead of the things added, like the first boss of Halatli having actual baby mechanics now. Or the second boss in Stone Vigil introducing the moving tornado mechanic in the structured way you saw it more in future dungeons instead of the random movement of the original boss fight.

They also always ignore the fairly sophisicated things that Duty Support could already do from Shadowbringers onward before they started redoing older dungeons.

What you can see in the old dungeon revamps is that they made the changes to streamline them and bring them more in line with what you see in later dungeons. So the new people don't get shell shocked by things they never saw before in the future dungeons. These changes also fit in nicely with the topics from the revamped Hall of the Novice.

[BillOverdoer]

I hope it outright gets removed, idk why the devs cater towards players that already don't want to play with other people in a MMOrpg. Wasted resources + it hinders the already abysmal dungeon design.

[TaleraRistain]

I hope it outright gets removed, idk why the devs cater towards players that already don't want to play with other people in a MMOrpg. Wasted resources + it hinders the already abysmal dungeon design.

It's not going to be removed and you can see the last two posts reasons why it's not affecting dungeon design and that changes are much more aimed at streamlining the older dungeons so they show mechanics that appear in later dungeons.