Playing dungeons with a friend + NPCs

[Mawlzy]

I hope it outright gets removed, idk why the devs cater towards players that already don't want to play with other people in a MMOrpg. Wasted resources + it hinders the already abysmal dungeon design.

Did you read the OP? It is asking for an extension of DS precisely so that players can play together.

And to reiterate what others have said, NPCs in a party can do far more complex mechanics than a human ever can. They are sitting in the same data stream as the enemies! In fact given how overscripted 14 PvE is, it would be trivial to have them move to safe spots before the cast bar has even started filling! You just code a trigger ahead of the cast.

But no, let's roll out this same rubbish so we can take another shot at players who don't meet some bizarre MMORPG purity test.

[Kandraxx]

No more NPCs, please. Duty support needs to be removed for the sake of the game.

Well, no. It actually needs to be expanded to cover all duties from normal dungeons up to savage and ultimate raids and possibly also alliance raids. The game nowadays is more about "can you find the people?" instead of the actual fight. It's only like 10% of all players who even do raids, of which all the tryhards are taken and the rest are "last try for me" (after 5 pulls) dad gamers.

This is not a real MMO anyway.

[Underscore]

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from

Then why did they need change and simplify the dungeons to accommodate them?

[Yasuu]

Opinions are different, i get that. And also i know its an MMO but they already implemented the help of NPCs. Its just an idea to improve whats already there.
And there's still content you cannot do with NPCs and if you like playing with randoms in dungeons you can still do that as well.
For me it would slow down the way people run dungeons and i would be happy about it.
And with some classes i just dont feel secure enough to run dungeons with randoms... besides queue time

[Infindox]

I hope it outright gets removed, idk why the devs cater towards players that already don't want to play with other people in a MMOrpg. Wasted resources + it hinders the already abysmal dungeon design.

Lol. Did you even read what the other people were trying to tell you?
This system is in place so new players can actually do content without making it a complete face roll.

[TaleraRistain]

Then why did they need change and simplify the dungeons to accommodate them?

They didn't. They changed them to get rid of outdated and obscure mechanics and mechanic triggers so those mechanics would be recognizable for sprouts in newer dungeons instead of things they have never seen. Go do the new Hall of the Novice and see how much matches up.

[Glitchima]

This would be a wonderful upgrade to the system! I don't really mind running with people or solo, but I have some friends who are either new to how FFXIV plays or otherwise get rather anxious when playing certain roles (primarily tank or healer) and i know it would help them a lot if we had something like this implemented (:

[TaleraRistain]

It's not like the original normal dungeons were ball-busters that required much brain power, nobody was making prog PFs for OG Halitali (and soon Cutter's Cry). In fact, the Cutter's Cry one is especially funny because the go-to strategy has been "skip 1/3 of the whole dungeon" by rushing the portion before the sandworm boss. Such a riveting MMO experience to hope someone makes it to the boss room while the other 2-3 people wait for the fight to start so they can direct teleport into it. The revised version for NPCs might actually FORCE you to play the whole dungeon now, lol.

I thought it was really hilarious when I did Qarn after the update and the group I was with actually wiped on the final boss because the player trend was to just ignore everything and now when you do that the adds have teeth and if they aren't killed they will wipe the party.

[Underscore]

They didn't. They changed them to get rid of outdated and obscure mechanics and mechanic triggers so those mechanics would be recognizable for sprouts in newer dungeons instead of things they have never seen. Go do the new Hall of the Novice and see how much matches up.

Are you sure about that?

[Jeeqbit]

It's worth pointing out that a lot of changes I feared did not happen in the Dawntrail side dungeon revamps:
- Bees still do Final Sting. We all assumed the worst that they'd remove it.
- Secret areas of Qarn still exist.
- The first boss of Qarn still does Doom. Also feared they wouldn't keep that in a new player dungeon.
- The bosses in Halitali and Qarn otherwise are just more functional versions of what they were, that don't suffer due to battle system/gear changes over the year.

The only change that I didn't like was we no longer drag the trash to the platforms. My guess is this was done so that Duty Support doesn't have to be made to position them, which would likely be difficult given how much players struggled with it.