New Gear... for class only? [Glaring Issue] [Request]

[Aion]

In what way classes exist bothering you? I dont understand with the hate for class. The design is already stated, classes for more general play and job for specialised play. THM can be a support buffer, ARC can be optimized DD etc... why limit the options?

[Natabant]

In what way classes exist bothering you? I dont understand with the hate for class. The design is already stated, classes for more general play and job for specialised play. THM can be a support buffer, ARC can be optimized DD etc... why limit the options?

The only reason they kept the classes in the first place was because they didn't want to redo the whole armoury system, so they just added on to it with the stones that turn the class into a job. I'm hoping they do away with classes altogether and just keep jobs. It seems pretty pointless to have both, you can say that solo'n with classes is much easier but from my experience it's the same if not easier to solo with a job over a class.

P.S. Getting back on topic, I hope that new Gryphonskin Jerkin can be used by jobs... If it can't I'll be so sad

[Felis]

P.S. Getting back on topic, I hope that new Gryphonskin Jerkin can be used by jobs... If it can't I'll be so sad

Don't hope too much

1.22
-NEW- High-level recipes
-NEW- Addition of class-exclusive high-level recipes
* Planned to be highly challenging synthesis.

Letter from the Producer, XXVI (03/26/2012)

I say I love my THM, and my BLM

[Orophin]

This makes the most sense. Maybe with a level cap increase the classes won't go beyond Lv.50. Like some people have said it's going to be more and more difficult to keep classes and jobs similar and different at the same time. It's like having two jobs do virtually the same thing. You wouldn't add the Black Belt job when the game already has MNK. Things get repetitive. I would rather have SE worrying about creating many varied and unique jobs, than trying think how it will work as a job and a class.

Maybe they should have just capped the abilities a class learns at level 30 and the job learns the rest of the abilities as it levels up. Of course this would create a lot of problems with the current balance of the game probably, especially at how difficult the AF quests are at level. But people do seem to want harder content!

Of course soloing at lv50 is a much easier task for your job, however doing it from 30-50 is far from a breeze when compared to your class. You can die a lot easier when your on a job instead of your class.

The point is, this gear is like level 49. It really doesn't help with the leveling process. All it is is overglorified soloing gear, which as other people have stated above, jobs can solo better than most classes. I can almost guarantee even with a full set of double melded gear, a class would not be more useful than a job on Garuda.

[Lux_Rayna]

Maybe they should have just capped the abilities a class learns at level 30 and the job learns the rest of the abilities as it levels up. Of course this would create a lot of problems with the current balance of the game probably, especially at how difficult the AF quests are at level. But people do seem to want harder content!


The point is, this gear is like level 49. It really doesn't help with the leveling process. All it is is overglorified soloing gear, which as other people have stated above, jobs can solo better than most classes. I can almost guarantee even with a full set of double melded gear, a class would not be more useful than a job on Garuda.

Classes are not only good for solo, if you think this you should probably revisit the game. There are a number of reasons why anyone would choose a class over a job in a party, precisely because jobs are often over-specialized. Class only gear makes perfect sense, and since you're not quite understanding the system you should dedicate a bit more time to your classes. Course you never have to use a class just like you never have to use a job. Its up to you, options are great aren't they? Ive said it a billion times in this thread, but an arc will pwn a bard's single target dps in a party. Thats just one example. After the patch, an MRD will probably pwn a Warrior's aoe damage in a party...a GLA's dmg pwns Paladin for the same tanking efficiency as of now, Pgl can off-tank far better than monk, and LNC has much higher survivability than DRG for less damage capabilities. Classes were made with the ability to do more than one thing. Ppl just used them like jobs from FFXI because ppl can't let FFXI stay in the past. Now that actual jobs came out, no one sees the difference when its been there all along.

[Orophin]

Classes are not only good for solo, if you think this you should probably revisit the game. There are a number of reasons why anyone would choose a class over a job in a party, precisely because jobs are often over-specialized. Class only gear makes perfect sense, and since you're not quite understanding the system you should dedicate a bit more time to your classes. Course you never have to use a class just like you never have to use a job. Its up to you, options are great aren't they? Ive said it a billion times in this thread, but an arc will pwn a bard's single target dps in a party. Thats just one example. After the patch, an MRD will probably pwn a Warrior's aoe damage in a party...a GLA's dmg pwns Paladin for the same tanking efficiency as of now, Pgl can off-tank far better than monk, and LNC has much higher survivability than DRG for less damage capabilities. Classes were made with the ability to do more than one thing. Ppl just used them like jobs from FFXI because ppl can't let FFXI stay in the past. Now that actual jobs came out, no one sees the difference when its been there all along.

Can you tell me in any of these situations where classes are better for Garuda, or any full party content for that matter?

People are going to bring a bard over an archer for party utility unless more than 2 archers are needed.
MRD isn't going to be brought as a pure DPS; WAR's abilities will still earn it a spot as main tank/off tank.
Paladin is getting super buffed and won't be out-tanked by Gladiator.
Pugilist or MNK off-tanking anything? Right.

Pick examples based on relevant content and don't just throw things out there.

[Lux_Rayna]

Can you tell me in any of these situations where classes are better for Garuda, or any full party content for that matter?

People are going to bring a bard over an archer for party utility unless more than 2 archers are needed.
MRD isn't going to be brought as a pure DPS; WAR's abilities will still earn it a spot as main tank/off tank.
Paladin is getting super buffed and won't be out-tanked by Gladiator.
Pugilist or MNK off-tanking anything? Right.

Pick examples based on relevant content and don't just throw things out there.

Ppl will choose whatever they perceive to be the "best," regardless of the other viable choices out there. You choose a class based on what you have access to, and what roles/setups work best for the players participating. I might roll 2 whms, I might roll 1 whm for heals, and 1 cnj for constant protect/stoneskin/shell refreshes as well as dps/backup heal. I might run a war main tank and a pgl off-tank instead of a war...since wars generate way too much enmity while they dps. I might take an arc and one bard, to maximize the arc's single target dps and retain party support from the bard. I might take a gla as a tank over a war due its ability to prism cure, and reduce damage through defense and blocks. This would take pressure off of the whm and create a lot of enmity. I might take lnc over dragoon if I need dps thats less squishy and can take care of itself. It really just depends on what my party setup is. Class-only gear *makes* all of these classes viable for endgame content, which is precisely why it exists.

I might take a thm over a blm because its dmg is comparable, and I have an extra rez/backup heals if I need them. The possibilities are endless, ppl really need to expand their horizons and think outside of tiny boxes at a time.

[Jinko]

P.S. Getting back on topic, I hope that new Gryphonskin Jerkin can be used by jobs... If it can't I'll be so sad

Class only, sorry.