New Gear... for class only? [Glaring Issue] [Request]

[Nabiri]

I like the suggestion that classes should become jobs at level 30.

I like it too but.. It's very difficult to take something away from people that a large amount of them like.
Because some of us hate/dislike classes doesn't mean they should be taken away from others. (For myself, as I said, I simply won't play them.) I don't like that classes are so similar to jobs.. Same type of weapons I mean. That makes classes more boring for me. Jobs have these cool weapons and AF and a Final Fantasy feel that classes lack. Classes have always felt out of place to me.

But anyways, that's all just opinion... I think classes shouldn't have been in the game from the start. But since they were.. and people enjoy them, and especially since Yoshida-san said that he wouldn't take away things we'd made progress on when remaking the game... I'm pretty confident that they're here to stay.

I'm not bothered at ALL by other people playing classes.. (I'd invite them to my party). And if SE wants to (in my opinion "waste")-spend time improving them then they should. Classes just aren't for me is all. It's nice to see that others enjoy them though. I thought they'd flop totally once jobs hit.

Seriously if SE came out tomorrow and said they were ditching classes at 30 in favor of jobs there would be only minor complaints.

I'm unsure about this. It seems many people have become accustomed to classes and enjoy them very much.. I think there would be some kind of outrage. Especially since Yoshida-san has said you keep your progress in 2.0, and this could be seen as such.

[Eliseus]

I like it too but.. It's very difficult to take something away from people that a large amount of them like.
Because some of us hate/dislike classes doesn't mean they should be taken away from others. (For myself, as I said, I simply won't play them.) I don't like that classes are so similar to jobs.. Same type of weapons I mean. That makes classes more boring for me. Jobs have these cool weapons and AF and a Final Fantasy feel that classes lack. Classes have always felt out of place to me.

But anyways, that's all just opinion... I think classes shouldn't have been in the game from the start. But since they were.. and people enjoy them, and especially since Yoshida-san said that he wouldn't take away things we'd made progress on when remaking the game... I'm pretty confident that they're here to stay.

I'm not bothered at ALL by other people playing classes.. (I'd invite them to my party). And if SE wants to (in my opinion "waste")-spend time improving them then they should. Classes just aren't for me is all. It's nice to see that others enjoy them though. I thought they'd flop totally once jobs hit.



I'm unsure about this. It seems many people have become accustomed to classes and enjoy them very much.. I think there would be some kind of outrage. Especially since Yoshida-san has said you keep your progress in 2.0, and this could be seen as such.

It really is retarded to have 2 jobs that essentially do the same thing. It's also dumb to have imo a job that leads into another job, just do like FFXI. Stop trying new stuff. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

P.S. Stop using diff font color like you are someone important.

[Gramul]

It really is retarded to have 2 jobs that essentially do the same thing. It's also dumb to have imo a job that leads into another job, just do like FFXI. Stop trying new stuff. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

P.S. Stop using diff font color like you are someone important.

Nabiri IS someone important.
4 golds and 3 silvers in only 917 posts? Girl's magic. She can use mauve if she wants.

[Nabiri]

I agree that it's silly to have similar jobs doing nearly the same thing.. But that's the way the game started and they decided to keep it. Some might argue that classes aren't broken so don't fix(get rid of) them. :x

P.S. Stop using diff font color like you are someone important.

Oh, I was unaware that important people use different colours. Bonus! :3
Here I was using it because I love the colour and seeing it makes me happy. Same reason I dye my hair this colour. I hope purple hair doesn't offend you as well. (Btw I love whoever that dude is who uses orange text. Such a bright happy colour.)
Oh, and P.S. "Stop using the same font colour like you're someone not important!" I guess.. since we're in the habit of bossing each other around suddenly. XD

Nabiri IS someone important.
4 golds and 3 silvers in only 917 posts? Girl's magic. She can use mauve if she wants.

/blush :x What a gentleman.

[Ulric]

It really is retarded to have 2 jobs that essentially do the same thing. It's also dumb to have imo a job that leads into another job, just do like FFXI. Stop trying new stuff. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

This is not FFXI. This is FFXIV. I'm sorry to disappoint you with this information, but it's a reality you are just going to have to accept. You don't want SE to try new stuff? Then, what's going to draw people in? Pretty graphics aren't all that makes a game, and if the content in the game is all just copy & paste, why not play a cheaper/free game? If everyone lived by "Oh, that's new, I won't touch it." We'd still be in caves, with pointed sticks.

Also, if you'd stop looking at classes and jobs doing the same thing, I'm sure you'd find that they really don't. In the case of Lancer and Dragoon, Dragoon trades off it's survivability for extra damage and TP gain. Whereas staying on Lancer gives you better survivability through cures, stoneskin, etc.

To be honest, LNC/DRG are the only things I can say this with and know I'm right, so anything beyond this, I'd love for someone who knows to be able to correct me.

Marauder and Warrior. I'm not too sure that Warrior loses anything at the moment, but after 1.22b, it may be a trade-off between damage and tanking ability.

Archer and Bard. Well, Archer is straight DPS while Bard is more support. I'd assume that while doing your songs, you won't be attacking or using weaponskills, thus lowering your DPS in order to support your party.

Conjurer and White Mage. Conjurer is able to be a very good magic-using DD, while White Mage takes away abilities to augment that damage for better healing abilities.

Thaumaturge and Black Mage. See Lancer above.

Gladiator and Paladin. At the moment, is seems Paladin offers nothing to make it truly superior to Gladiator in any way, but after 1.22b it seems that it will also be a trade-off for DD capabilities or tanking.

To help with my point of a good use of classes and jobs, let's look at the Ifrit fight. There are multiple strategies for it, but I'll use the most generally accepted one. 1 WAR, 2 WHMS, 5 THMs/4THMs, 1 LNC. Why THM and LNC? They can take hits better, with the right abilities, so as to not cause a wipe while still dealing decent damage. I'd like to watch you do it with all jobs.

I have nothing for verification on this, so I also apologize if this is incorrect.
I believe it has been said by one of the devs that classes are here to stay. If you want jobs only, go back to FFXI. Complaining about things like this, while not adding anything that would be a reasonable fix, and would also not make the people working on this game go completely batty, is cluttering up our forums that are supposed to be used for the betterment of our communities, and the game.

[Eliseus]

This is not FFXI. This is FFXIV. I'm sorry to disappoint you with this information, but it's a reality you are just going to have to accept. You don't want SE to try new stuff? Then, what's going to draw people in? Pretty graphics aren't all that makes a game, and if the content in the game is all just copy & paste, why not play a cheaper/free game? If everyone lived by "Oh, that's new, I won't touch it." We'd still be in caves, with pointed sticks.

Also, if you'd stop looking at classes and jobs doing the same thing, I'm sure you'd find that they really don't. In the case of Lancer and Dragoon, Dragoon trades off it's survivability for extra damage and TP gain. Whereas staying on Lancer gives you better survivability through cures, stoneskin, etc.

To be honest, LNC/DRG are the only things I can say this with and know I'm right, so anything beyond this, I'd love for someone who knows to be able to correct me.

Marauder and Warrior. I'm not too sure that Warrior loses anything at the moment, but after 1.22b, it may be a trade-off between damage and tanking ability.

Archer and Bard. Well, Archer is straight DPS while Bard is more support. I'd assume that while doing your songs, you won't be attacking or using weaponskills, thus lowering your DPS in order to support your party.

Conjurer and White Mage. Conjurer is able to be a very good magic-using DD, while White Mage takes away abilities to augment that damage for better healing abilities.

Thaumaturge and Black Mage. See Lancer above.

Gladiator and Paladin. At the moment, is seems Paladin offers nothing to make it truly superior to Gladiator in any way, but after 1.22b it seems that it will also be a trade-off for DD capabilities or tanking.

To help with my point of a good use of classes and jobs, let's look at the Ifrit fight. There are multiple strategies for it, but I'll use the most generally accepted one. 1 WAR, 2 WHMS, 5 THMs/4THMs, 1 LNC. Why THM and LNC? They can take hits better, with the right abilities, so as to not cause a wipe while still dealing decent damage. I'd like to watch you do it with all jobs.

I have nothing for verification on this, so I also apologize if this is incorrect.
I believe it has been said by one of the devs that classes are here to stay. If you want jobs only, go back to FFXI. Complaining about things like this, while not adding anything that would be a reasonable fix, and would also not make the people working on this game go completely batty, is cluttering up our forums that are supposed to be used for the betterment of our communities, and the game.

Really? This is FFXIV? Here I thought I was playing something else. You realize the part of these forums is to give feedback right?