Please Stop Genderlocking Gear

[velkettin]

This tbh, but this thread has quite a few aggressive people really that will yell you down the second you dare say something that goes agaisnt what they say, the amount of people in this thread that got called homophobic or bigots for not wanting this is actually crazy, I would just give as advice to ignore them as honestly there's no discussion to be had with them

waaaaah, waaaaaaaaah, why can't i cry about how objectionable being forced to witness gender nonconformity is and how men aren't allowed to look like men anymore without being called a bigot : (((( those totally aren't things every garden variety bigot gets mad at : ((((((

[SophiaDL]

waaaaah, waaaaaaaaah, why can't i cry about how objectionable being forced to witness gender nonconformity is and how men aren't allowed to look like men anymore without being called a bigot : (((( those totally aren't things every garden variety bigot gets mad at : ((((((

Thank you for being exhibit 1 !

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Thank you for being exhibit 1 !

Bruh someone literally said 'begone Satan' to a lgbt person. (which that comment got removed btw). I don't remember what was said before but there was definitely outright lgbtq hatred as the sole reason for not lifting the locks. Again you are free to voice your opinion, but if you are a bigot we are also free to call you out for that. That's free speech. Call it 'aggressive' all you want, being a bigot is also aggressive.

[PercibelTheren]

waaaaah, waaaaaaaaah, why can't i cry about how objectionable being forced to witness gender nonconformity is and how men aren't allowed to look like men anymore without being called a bigot : (((( those totally aren't things every garden variety bigot gets mad at : ((((((

I always find it funny when people cry about gender nonconformity because men wore skirts and dresses (more or less) for most of human history. Men wore high heels, wigs and makeup. Heck, the clergy of many cultures still wear more or less frilly nightgowns to religious services.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I always find it funny when people cry about gender nonconformity because men wore skirts and dresses (more or less) for most of human history. Men wore high heels, wigs and makeup. Heck, the clergy of many cultures still wear more or less frilly nightgowns to religious services.

THIS. It's more like complaining men don't adhere to specifically 21st century macho-gentleman fashion stereotyping or some insane shit. And this in a fantasy game where 'most' of the clothing isn't 21st century fashion.
Men have literally been wearing skirts and dresses forever. Go look at how the Greeks and Romans dressed themselves.

[Nero-Voidstails]

THIS. It's more like complaining men don't adhere to specifically 21st century macho-gentleman fashion stereotyping or some insane shit. And this in a fantasy game where 'most' of the clothing isn't 21st century fashion.
Men have literally been wearing skirts and dresses forever. Go look at how the Greeks and Romans dressed themselves.

I think comparing a era to a other doesn't work because of you look at those clothing they aren't today or 14 skirt or dress in the slightest. like back then those Roman clothing if you look both at the female and male cloth they are far from being the same

[Kuroka]

Men have literally been wearing skirts and dresses forever. Go look at how the Greeks and Romans dressed themselves.

They did not wear a ladies fine sunday dress... its not about normal skirts and all...

[Batbrat]

They did not wear a ladies fine sunday dress... its not about normal skirts and all...

And it's not about your feelings at all either, but here we are.

Anyway, so we know that the argument for removing the genderlock entirely would be that in doing so, that would provide players with even more options for their video game characters glams.
Now, what is the actual argument against that?
Why should they NOT remove the genderlock from glams?
Why should players have less to choose from, why is more variety a bad idea?

Can you or anyone else give a straight forward on-topic answer that does not have any feelings, personal politics, or unconfirmable speculation?

[Kuroka]

And it's not about your feelings at all either, but here we are.

Anyway, so we know that the argument for removing the genderlock entirely would be that in doing so, that would provide players with even more options for their video game characters glams.
Now, what is the actual argument against that?
Why should they NOT remove the genderlock from glams?
Why should players have less to choose from, why is more variety a bad idea?

Can you or anyone else give a straight forward on-topic answer that does not have any feelings, personal politics, or unconfirmable speculation?

Ok you wannna play that game? fine.

Now, what is the actual argument against that?

There are things that should hold some value, like 2B and or you know, the Brides outfit that is for Brides. And Males dont really should wear a Bikini... having unisex gear is boring, they make one gear for 4 thats easier to fit unlike cute or cool stuff that fits the gender. its 2x the work for the devs to make female & male versions and fix them to suit both, so overall wed just get less stuff and more neutral one... And there is tons of gear thats for both genders.

Why should they NOT remove the genderlock from glams?

Because for some gear it was there for a reason - for some it was just silly. But no you male roe should not wear Ryne's dress.

Why should players have less to choose from, why is more variety a bad idea?

Because its work that for huge parts trolls would use. Because if you want female cloths got play female in a fantasy game. Because it would be much more work for a very small % of players and as already said, ultimately would reduce the amount of already too few gear we'd get.

...but ik thats not good enough for you, so bye <3

[HawkeScream]

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My bunboi got married in the bride's dress and was a beautiful bride, thank you very much.

Also men wear speedos which is exactly the same panty bottoms as a bikini just without the top.

I say male roes should wear Ryne's dress. Since you "want to play that game." More male roes in Ryne's dress!

Trolls are not the majority of people wanting ungenderlocked gear. I do not have to play a female character to wear "female" clothes in Final Fantasy 14, actually, as the devs have already made a tremendous effort to ungenderlock things. It is not a small amount of players, or they would not have started doing it.

It is not reducing the amount of gear we are getting. We literally got two bouncer outfits, with just the holsters being the difference. two shirts, two pants. We got Wintertide that has a neutral top that has no reason to be genderlocked even before they ungenderlocked things, and we got a skirt and pants with that, so people can wear whatever they want. Etc etc. There's literally not less gear. In a 50/50 scenario, if every piece of gear had a different fem and masc model, and a person played a fem character, they are literally locked out of 50% of the gear in the game for glam purposes, and vice versa. THAT is, quite literally, reducing the amount of gear an individual person has access to. So.