Occult Crescent is great but the relic grind is the worst of both worlds.

[Diert]

I agree that this is the worst of both worlds., but I'd rather go back to the ARR relic weapons than the terrible EW tome grind. There was a sense of accomplishment from earning even your second relic weapon that is missing when they're made too simple. I also hope they get their act together and don't give us the same ugly copy/paste designs from EW. I think that was, above all, the worst part about them.

[caffe_macchiato]

Then go play those? I know you have been here for months if not years now only to express how unhappy you are, yet here you are.

Final Fantasy XIV has lost over 650,000 players since its peak in 2021. That's a 50% drop. They don't agree with you and shareholders don't either. So you could be right, sure. But in the end, you will lose.

But I legitimately do not know what you want.

A good video game.

Look, obviously this is a Final Fantasy product. "Final Fantasy" and "good" don't usually go in the same sentence. But this is a legacy product that was once good, so it's a bit more disappointing than the franchise's usual failures.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Final Fantasy XIV has lost over 650,000 players since its peak in 2021. That's a 50% drop. They don't agree with you and shareholders don't either. So you could be right, sure. But in the end, you will lose.



A good video game.

Look, obviously this is a Final Fantasy product. "Final Fantasy" and "good" don't usually go in the same sentence. But this is a legacy product that was once good, so it's a bit more disappointing than the franchise's usual failures.

2020/2021 was a peak for a lot of games due to Covid, plus the era the game was in which we will see if they are able to build towards again.

You come to explain that players have options, as though the devs are unaware of this - yet you spend your time here instead of with all those amazing options you claim we have for MMOs.

I don't know what you what you think I am "losing" as I'm not a shareholder or employee of Square Enix. You thinking there is some argument or battle to be "won" is absurd. The MMO division is still it's primary profit division and is performing better than the other gaming divisions, so for now it's fine. The game will be around for quite a while, but games 11+ years old will be bound to slow down at some point.

[Asako]

How are people complaining about a relic grind 3 days after the content came out. By just levelling to 20 I got over 7 of each Atma, similar drop rates with my FC mates. This is normal. People need to stop requesting handouts. This is the fastest relic yet.

[caffe_macchiato]

You come to explain that players have options, as though the devs are unaware of this - yet you spend your time here instead of with all those amazing options you claim we have for MMOs.

Demanding unquestioning allegiance from your players under penalty of silence will not work out in the end. We DO have other options, and those don’t require our unwavering loyalty. I came back for this patch to see if it was good gameplay content. It was not. It was content, but not good content. Thus, I complain until my subscription runs out and I am barred from posting.

Once again: demanding loyalty will NOT work. It didn’t work for 650,000 players. Your queues will slow down, your friends will stop logging in, your FC will die out, the game will stop having content, and you will leave just like everyone else. Age isn’t an inevitable sign of decline: WoW has its highest subscriber count in 10 years, over 20 years since its release. FFXIV is half as old and has 20% of the player base. Sad!

[Kaurhz]

How are people complaining about a relic grind 3 days after the content came out. By just levelling to 20 I got over 7 of each Atma, similar drop rates with my FC mates. This is normal. People need to stop requesting handouts. This is the fastest relic yet.

People are complaining about it because it is not a well designed relic, what you got was essentially a one-time step relic where everything is frontload across that single step, as opposed to distributed across multiple steps and relics.

In the grand scheme of things, like the EW relic it will just be incredibly diluted because everything is focused on that sole step. It's nothing great, and at this point the only reason some people are praising this in the first place is because of the last expansion, and the fact they are finally getting something, and not necessarily whether it is well designed or not... Comparatively some people are a little more critical at whether it is well designed... Not whether it is a grind or not, but simply whether it is well designed -- Which it is not.

When I come around to doing it, I am not really going to have a reasonable level of satisfaction at completing it, and nor will it be anything special, because everything will just be so incredibly diluted by the fact that subsequent relics are just tome weapons.

[Kuroka]

How are people complaining about a relic grind 3 days after the content came out. By just levelling to 20 I got over 7 of each Atma, similar drop rates with my FC mates. This is normal. People need to stop requesting handouts. This is the fastest relic yet.

This is the main problem, some have all of them, several times, others have 1-2... i would grind a week more, but give me pity or anything... RNG is sucks in this game, always.

[Asako]

This is the main problem, some have all of them, several times, others have 1-2... i would grind a week more, but give me pity or anything... RNG is sucks in this game, always.

But you don't need to grind. You get them passively when levelling and levelling the other jobs. Why do you need the relic right now? I don't get it.

[CNitsah]

But you don't need to grind. You get them passively when levelling and levelling the other jobs. Why do you need the relic right now? I don't get it.

Most people find that relics are a far more interesting prize than the phantom jobs. For a lot of people, it's "You passively up your Phantom Jobs while farming for your relic". The relic is something not limited to the occult crescent. It's the true price for a lot of players.

[Asako]

Most people find that relics are a far more interesting prize than the phantom jobs. For a lot of people, it's "You passively up your Phantom Jobs while farming for your relic". The relic is something not limited to the occult crescent. It's the true price for a lot of players.

Patch came out on tuesday. It is now friday. I have my relic already in the first week. Where is the issue? In 4 days of about 15 hours gameplay you get your weapon. I just levelled to 20. Mastered 4 Jobs and had my relic. People complaining about getting Atmas of different colours need to realise the colour you get is based on the fate. So if you need a specific Atma just do fates in that zone. Fate trains are also running flat out in the normal world but I hear the drop rate is lower there, which makes sense as the fates are dying in around 25s each.