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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkankyRoe View Post
    I think the two of you are missing that the complaints are specifically about Gathering missions. You know, the ones that can't be macro'd? That can't be done back to back to back like the Crafting ones? That subject you to heavy rng? Nobody is complaining about the crafting A missions, because those are easypeasy with pentamelds and a macro given to you by a solver website. The issue is specifically how ass the Gathering side of this content is, Crafters are eating good while Gatherers got mega shafted.
    There is very few gathering missions that involve RNG. The only ones that can be annoying are the chain ones getting bad luck with eureka moments but I mean that’s what eureka moments are. Besides that the reduction ones are easy with the stellar action allowing you to do the 1000 GP rotation with 800 GP, the “collect 3 items from limited nodes in a line” is incredibly consistent and the “number and collectibility will both be scored” missions basically just want collectibility and again give the stellar action

    The only real problem with the gatherers is forcing you to wait for GP to restore but you can mitigate that by sharing it with the crafters. Well the “aetheryte” that we have confers stellar sprint, it doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch that by upgrading it we may get bonuses conferred to GP restoration, but as it stands right now yes I can see the GP restoration problem
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkankyRoe View Post
    I think the two of you are missing that the complaints are specifically about Gathering missions. You know, the ones that can't be macro'd? That can't be done back to back to back like the Crafting ones? That subject you to heavy rng? Nobody is complaining about the crafting A missions, because those are easypeasy with pentamelds and a macro given to you by a solver website. The issue is specifically how ass the Gathering side of this content is, Crafters are eating good while Gatherers got mega shafted.
    On the flipside they're slightly better for red alerts, though, which makes it easier to get the 500,000 points to grind them out and also gives you more rewards in the 20 minutes you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’m not sure why you are saying “imagine how bad levelling is when A ranks are so hard” when A ranks are specifically designed to be content that isn’t easy

    If you want to macro with no food on mid tier pentamelded gear then simply do B ranks. The missions that give tier 4 data in the A rank are intentionally harder

    Like genuinely what’s so bad about there being a tier specifically for people who want to do a bit more
    You're just wrong. You have nothing of use to add to this and you're just here trying to gaslight me and others into thinking that this sh*tty content is actually good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekymus View Post
    You're just wrong. You have nothing of use to add to this and you're just here trying to gaslight me and others into thinking that this sh*tty content is actually good.
    Yes me saying that you are not interacting with the content properly because it’s opaque in some frustrating ways and trying to help you understand it better is me trying to gaslight you

    If it isn’t obvious I’m trying to offer you advice, if you want an echo chamber to scream buzzwords you don’t understand then may I suggest Facebook or xitter
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekymus View Post
    You're just wrong. You have nothing of use to add to this and you're just here trying to gaslight me and others into thinking that this sh*tty content is actually good.
    You're going into this with terrible gear for your level, a poor understanding of the content, and a refusal to learn. Exactly why should the devs listen to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The problem you are running into is caused by the fact you have severely weak gear for what you are trying to attempt. Crafting and gathering is designed so that gear jumps up in bundles of 10 levels, it doesn’t function like combat gear that moves almost every level

    If you are level 9x then the game is expecting you to use the purple scrip gear you can buy in raz-at-Han to use all the way to level 100 where you would progr as to current gear. Using purple scrip gear at level 90 will make D and C ranks a breeze and B ranks possible

    The game could arguably do a better job of explaining how the crafting/gathering gear progression is rather unique but this is also how the crafters/gatherers have always works
    THANK YOU.

    This is something that I and my family ran into hard since CE released. However....if the gear is aimed at scrip gear, then why have the NQ crafted/reward gear being sold at the moonbase?

    I know you can't answer, it's just rhetorical at this point. And rather annoying.

    It'd be nice if the same scrip gear could be bought from the moon vendor using the same currency as used for items via credits.
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    I honestly don't think their stat/recipe synch system was a good idea. It brings too many problems and it's not like spamming D-ranks would be possible anyway since relics also require datasets that only the higher tiers reward anyway.
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    I just ignore the ilvl synch, I suspect it might become an issue max level, but I've managed to fish on script gear in 70 and 80 so far even if it warns me that my ilvl is too low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekymus View Post
    I don't know what happened, but it's taken me 2 days of playing to get one level on my fisher.

    I thought this was supposed to be some kind of activity for crafters and gatherers to level up, but apparently, its only reason for being is for people to waste their time, get zero XP, and make zero progress towards anything.

    It doesn't help that the missions are so badly worded that I can't figure out what I'm supposed to do most of the time.

    I came into this really wanting to like this and really wanting to have fun leveling up my gatherers (I don't play crafters, I don't like the crafting system), but I haven't ever been this frustrated or disappointed in this game as I am with this game mode.

    I really hope they fix this soon. It's like they made this for the super hardcore players only and left the rest of the player base out to hang.
    Mr. Happy said he made the mistake of starting with fisher too - it's arguably the hardest of them, since the RNG procs are every 15-30 seconds instead of every 2 seconds like in crafting or gathering.

    That said, this is casual content. That's not the same as "free" content or even "easy" content. The crafting and gathering relic grinds in other expansions have also had similar levels of difficulty. Hell, just the normal fishing quests are ridiculously grindy - Feasts of Famine takes people months!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    Mr. Happy said he made the mistake of starting with fisher too - it's arguably the hardest of them, since the RNG procs are every 15-30 seconds instead of every 2 seconds like in crafting or gathering.

    That said, this is casual content. That's not the same as "free" content or even "easy" content. The crafting and gathering relic grinds in other expansions have also had similar levels of difficulty. Hell, just the normal fishing quests are ridiculously grindy - Feasts of Famine takes people months!
    I don't even know what you're talking about when you say "Free". As for casual... yes, that means "easy". As in I shouldh't have to be a g*d d*mned penta-melded omnicrafter to play this b*llsh*t "casual" content.

    This is the first time that I've ever felt like SE has actually failed at the game.

    And if all you're going to do is try to come back at me and try to tell me I'm wrong or that I "just don't understand" all you'll be doing is wasting your breath.

    I'm p*ssed off by this and Cosmic Explorations SUCK. End of story. If you like playing broken, crappy, worthless content, then please, keep playing it and have fun, but I won't play it again unless it gets a major overhaul in how it's done.

    But with how badly they failed at this "casual" content, I have almost no hope at all for the Cosmic Exploration being any good or even dooable for an actual casual player like myself. It will probably be some b*llsh*t like the Chaotic World of Darkness, I was looking forward to it until I saw it was essentially Savage content. I don't have the time of the skill for that kind of sh*t and I'm getting a little sick of the game almost exclusively catering towards the ultra elite players just because they're a vocal minority.
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    Last edited by Ekymus; 04-26-2025 at 06:00 PM.

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