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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Agree with that, but there is also the elephant in the room of why a highly-desirable cosmetic item was locked behind savage-level content, particularly when it had absolutely no thematic link to that content.
    Because this is a computer game that requires an active subscription, the goal of the company making this product is to get people to spend their time (and therefore money) with this game. It's very much the entertainment value, of doing some game activity, and then getting a reward for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    It seems probable this was another failed attempt by SE to funnel non-raiders into content they do not like.
    No one is forced to do anything, stop sounding like some crazy conspiracy theorist. This is an entertainment product made by a privately owned business, not some government agency which the population is forced to engage with.

    Quote Originally Posted by IndraSyngiwyb View Post
    By all means, if you or anyone else finds someone demanding savage rewards without doing savage, point me in their direction and I'll laugh at them with you because that's just silly.
    Sure thing, here you go:
    Quote Originally Posted by IndraSyngiwyb View Post
    If it were up to me, fancy glowy weapons and gear would be the only things locked behind savage, tbh.
    This whole "but customization shouldn't be locked behind anything" tirade isn't an argument, it's merely your opinion. You simply drew an arbitrary line around certain kinds of items, according to your personal taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenThyl View Post


    No one is forced to do anything, stop sounding like some crazy conspiracy theorist. This is an entertainment product made by a privately owned business, not some government agency which the population is forced to engage with.

    Allen, please calm down. I never claimed anyone was being forced to do anything.

    Does it not seem probable to you that placing attractive (and expensive!) rewards behind CAR was SE encouraging people to engage with the content? And given raiders are going to do raids anyway for some reason, a cosmetic item was included to appeal specifically to non-raiders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenThyl View Post
    This whole "but customization shouldn't be locked behind anything" tirade isn't an argument, it's merely your opinion. You simply drew an arbitrary line around certain kinds of items, according to your personal taste.
    "That's just your opinion" is the argument you make when you've scraped the bottom of the barrel so hard that you've hit bedrock. How a video game should or shouldn't work, from a player's perspective, is purely subjective. Your opinions are also just opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    I never claimed anyone was being forced to do anything.
    Your rhetoric of "SE funneling players into content they don't want to do" is bonkers. I can't overstate enough just how completely mad it is. You fail to grasp that the reward system plays an integral part in creating the entertainment value of this entertainment product in the first place, which is the main motivation for this company to even bother paying people to create it. Instead you create this narrative that somehow SE seems to have meetings where they brainstorm how they can "deny" their playerbase something, when it's actually the other way around. Especially given that one of the main criticisms of criterion was the rather lackluster rewards for how difficult it was. Even the creation of CODCAR itself was wished for quite frequently by the community ("hard 24 man content").

    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Does it not seem probable to you that placing attractive (and expensive!) rewards behind CAR was SE encouraging people to engage with the content? And given raiders are going to do raids anyway for some reason, a cosmetic item was included to appeal specifically to non-raiders?
    "raiders", "non-raiders". Your essentialism is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. "cosmetic item to appeal specifically to non-raiders" is the biggest self report on your entitlement you can give. Because there is absolutely nothing about this hairstyle that has anything to do with whether or not someone engages in high-end combat duties or not, except if that someone doesn't engage in them but feels entitled to the rewards. Given that it can be bought on the MB only further emphasizes the already ridiculous amounts of entitlement on display.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConantSivrha View Post
    "That's just your opinion" is the argument you make when you've scraped the bottom of the barrel so hard that you've hit bedrock. How a video game should or shouldn't work, from a player's perspective, is purely subjective. Your opinions are also just opinions.
    No, for the poster I replied to it's about their opinion, because they make an arbitrary decision that the reward allowed for difficult content should be exclusively what the poster was isn't interested in (glowy weapons and gear). This is a video game, a proper reward structure makes up a significant appeal of this type of game. If "doing game activity to get reward of that activity" is not compelling to you, you are playing the wrong type of game. Taking this reward structure away or limiting it to only "uninteresting" items just so a fringe minority who doesn't have any drive actually playing the video game that they pay for, risks the game itself. Just look at the graveyard of zombie MMOs out there which shower the player in gear and over-the-top flashy cosmetics from the start, often with cash shops to just outright buy everything and circumvent the necessity of actually playing the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenThyl View Post

    "raiders", "non-raiders". Your essentialism is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. "cosmetic item to appeal specifically to non-raiders" is the biggest self report on your entitlement you can give. Because there is absolutely nothing about this hairstyle that has anything to do with whether or not someone engages in high-end combat duties or not, except if that someone doesn't engage in them but feels entitled to the rewards. Given that it can be bought on the MB only further emphasizes the already ridiculous amounts of entitlement on display.
    Disgusting? Really? I do apologize that I disgust you.

    As does reality, apparently? There are those that raid in this game, and those that do not.

    Not following the self-reporting thing, though. If I wanted the hairstyle I would buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Disgusting? Really? I do apologize that I disgust you.

    As does reality, apparently? There are those that raid in this game, and those that do not.

    Not following the self-reporting thing, though. If I wanted the hairstyle I would buy it.
    And there are those of us who would love some of the Glams and weapons that can only be obtained through playing high-end content but are not good enough to play that content and therefore have to accept that the aforementioned items will never be in their inventory.
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