Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[freshavocado]

I think it's less so entitlement and more so just being bummed that such cosmetics seem beyond them. Speaking as a casual player who doesn't do high-end content, there is a reason I don't. And it's not because the content itself is too hard. It's because of how intimidating the preparations are.

You need to have the best current gear, preferably overmelded with the best and CORRECT materia. Perfect stats. Best high-end raid-tier food. Etc.

When a person who wants to attempt savage sees all of these things they have to do, they will have one of two reactions.

1.) All right, this is fine.

2.) *petrified with anxiety*

Number 2 happens a lot because no one wants to be the one who accidentally melded the wrong materia, didn't overmeld at all because they couldn't afford it, or ate the wrong food. Because then you wind up feeling like you are dragging the party down because you didn't go into it with 100% perfect everything.

And maybe raiders will say, "You don't NEED to be 100% perfect to clear" but that is absolutely the perception from casual players like me who watch raiders spend millions of gil overmelding and getting their hands on the absolute best of everything.

TL DR High-end content feels extremely intimidating and insurmountable for most casual players due to the perceived expectations placed on them. Therefore, they get sad that they are missing out on cosmetics that they feel like they cannot and will not ever get.

I get that n tbh it was my first high end content. Theres a wonderful n organized discord for chaotic raids n similar stuff like BA or even NA progs savage to help dip ur feet into it. These groups r way more nicer than some ppl youd encounter in pf. Give it a try!!
It might be deadish content but RADAR still does some learning runs here and there

[Misutoraru]

Allen, please calm down. I never claimed anyone was being forced to do anything.

Does it not seem probable to you that placing attractive (and expensive!) rewards behind CAR was SE encouraging people to engage with the content? And given raiders are going to do raids anyway for some reason, a cosmetic item was included to appeal specifically to non-raiders?

SE could put it in some content that would be more friendly to those have work or life commitments that couldn’t spend fix hours for high end raid.

It could be a long grind like how old relic. Chaotic would still be the fastest way to obtain it, but given alternative way of acquiring some very popular item is not going to hurt anyone but rather a win win situation

[AllenThyl]

I never claimed anyone was being forced to do anything.

Your rhetoric of "SE funneling players into content they don't want to do" is bonkers. I can't overstate enough just how completely mad it is. You fail to grasp that the reward system plays an integral part in creating the entertainment value of this entertainment product in the first place, which is the main motivation for this company to even bother paying people to create it. Instead you create this narrative that somehow SE seems to have meetings where they brainstorm how they can "deny" their playerbase something, when it's actually the other way around. Especially given that one of the main criticisms of criterion was the rather lackluster rewards for how difficult it was. Even the creation of CODCAR itself was wished for quite frequently by the community ("hard 24 man content").

Does it not seem probable to you that placing attractive (and expensive!) rewards behind CAR was SE encouraging people to engage with the content? And given raiders are going to do raids anyway for some reason, a cosmetic item was included to appeal specifically to non-raiders?

"raiders", "non-raiders". Your essentialism is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. "cosmetic item to appeal specifically to non-raiders" is the biggest self report on your entitlement you can give. Because there is absolutely nothing about this hairstyle that has anything to do with whether or not someone engages in high-end combat duties or not, except if that someone doesn't engage in them but feels entitled to the rewards. Given that it can be bought on the MB only further emphasizes the already ridiculous amounts of entitlement on display.

"That's just your opinion" is the argument you make when you've scraped the bottom of the barrel so hard that you've hit bedrock. How a video game should or shouldn't work, from a player's perspective, is purely subjective. Your opinions are also just opinions.

No, for the poster I replied to it's about their opinion, because they make an arbitrary decision that the reward allowed for difficult content should be exclusively what the poster was isn't interested in (glowy weapons and gear). This is a video game, a proper reward structure makes up a significant appeal of this type of game. If "doing game activity to get reward of that activity" is not compelling to you, you are playing the wrong type of game. Taking this reward structure away or limiting it to only "uninteresting" items just so a fringe minority who doesn't have any drive actually playing the video game that they pay for, risks the game itself. Just look at the graveyard of zombie MMOs out there which shower the player in gear and over-the-top flashy cosmetics from the start, often with cash shops to just outright buy everything and circumvent the necessity of actually playing the game.

[AllenThyl]

SE could put it in some content that would be more friendly to those have work or life commitments that couldn’t spend fix hours for high end raid.

It could be a long grind like how old relic. Chaotic would still be the fastest way to obtain it, but given alternative way of acquiring some very popular item is not going to hurt anyone but rather a win win situation

It already exists, it's called the market board using "gil" as currency. Do whatever activity you fancy to accrue gil instead of doing CODCAR, then just buy the hairstyle.

[Mawlzy]

"raiders", "non-raiders". Your essentialism is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. "cosmetic item to appeal specifically to non-raiders" is the biggest self report on your entitlement you can give. Because there is absolutely nothing about this hairstyle that has anything to do with whether or not someone engages in high-end combat duties or not, except if that someone doesn't engage in them but feels entitled to the rewards. Given that it can be bought on the MB only further emphasizes the already ridiculous amounts of entitlement on display.

Disgusting? Really? I do apologize that I disgust you.

As does reality, apparently? There are those that raid in this game, and those that do not.

Not following the self-reporting thing, though. If I wanted the hairstyle I would buy it.

[Carin-Eri]

Disgusting? Really? I do apologize that I disgust you.

As does reality, apparently? There are those that raid in this game, and those that do not.

Not following the self-reporting thing, though. If I wanted the hairstyle I would buy it.

And there are those of us who would love some of the Glams and weapons that can only be obtained through playing high-end content but are not good enough to play that content and therefore have to accept that the aforementioned items will never be in their inventory.

[XtremePrime]

Having some things locked behind hard content is fine, raiders can farm it and then later sell it for profit so casual players can buy it off the marketboard, it's a healthy player economy!
What casual players need are more reliable ways to earn gil (without playing the market) or for the hairstyle value to drop since I doubt many casual players have ~30mil gil.

[Nero-Voidstails]

Having some things locked behind hard content is fine, raiders can farm it and then later sell it for profit so casual players can buy it off the marketboard, it's a healthy player economy!
What casual players need are more reliable ways to earn gil (without playing the market) or for the hairstyle value to drop since I doubt many casual players have ~30mil gil.

some doesn't craft either making it harder for those

[Nero-Voidstails]

It already exists, it's called the market board using "gil" as currency. Do whatever activity you fancy to accrue gil instead of doing CODCAR, then just buy the hairstyle.

so to you everyone that have a life aren't allowed to the armor nor hairstyle correct so it disgust you weird because what disgust me is people who think like you. some people doesn't want to scrap they're sleep schedule for something but again this is a raiders mentality but eh you be you right?

[Gwenkatsu]

Having misread the thread's title I expected this to be another complaint about Cosmic Exploration:

"Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmic items added in game?"