Give credit where is due: FL is fun

[MisterNublet]

Really? Frontlines has been feeling more like hot garbage every patch since the rework because they keep listen to awful players who only play the mode once a day for the EXP bonus.

The Battle High changes were for exactly those players.

Killing has become less rewarding while participating in fights has become more rewarding.
Snowballing has been slightly nerfed while assists has been buffed.
If for some reason you're not able to secure any kills all you need is 25 assist compared to the 50 you needed then.
Seems like a decent adjustment. I'm not sure why some are upset about this.

Battle High increases healing potency.

Battle High changes makes playing range even safer and easier, and we've already been in a ranged meta for far too long due to atrocious balancing decisions.

Players that don't deserve to have battle high because they can press 1 AoE before running away are now even more annoying to kill because sprint is unlimited and they heal for far more with freebie battle highs.

It also makes feeders WORSE because now they can give more battle high.

[Teno]

Really? Frontlines has been feeling more like hot garbage every patch since the rework because they keep listen to awful players who only play the mode once a day for the EXP bonus.

The Battle High changes were for exactly those players.



Battle High increases healing potency.

Battle High changes makes playing range even safer and easier, and we've already been in a ranged meta for far too long due to atrocious balancing decisions.

Players that don't deserve to have battle high because they can press 1 AoE before running away are now even more annoying to kill because sprint is unlimited and they heal for far more with freebie battle highs.

It also makes feeders WORSE because now they can give more battle high.

Yes before 7.2, the changes were made specifically for rouletters. No not now. Because you still delete bh5 noobs, OR, they're not efficient so they might as well be bh0 it doesn't matter.

[Mistress_Irika]

Battle High increases healing potency.

Battle High changes makes playing range even safer and easier, and we've already been in a ranged meta for far too long due to atrocious balancing decisions.

Players that don't deserve to have battle high because they can press 1 AoE before running away are now even more annoying to kill because sprint is unlimited and they heal for far more with freebie battle highs.

It also makes feeders WORSE because now they can give more battle high.

PvP feels like a reflection of what's happening in PvE. With that said, I don't see changes like this stopping anytime soon. They've been making the game easier since I started playing. They're going to continue to do so. Maybe it's not fair. However, that's the reality we're currently living in. There's not much we can do about that.

I mean, we could always go back to only killers being able to obtain battle high if things are too easy.

[MisterNublet]

Yes before 7.2, the changes were made specifically for rouletters. No not now. Because you still delete bh5 noobs, OR, they're not efficient so they might as well be bh0 it doesn't matter.

Except, you know, BH5 lets ranged jobs heal for 40% of their health with a press of a button. Now you can fart in the general direction of a skirmish and you'll leave with BH3 within the first 2 mins of the match.

It also doesn't help that most Melee Jobs have 0 or 1 CC while Ranged Jobs have 2 to 3. If noobs are good at one thing, its running away, and they sure as hell know how to press their escape tool even if they don't know how to DPS. Takes way too damn long to kill a single player.

PvP feels like a reflection of what's happening in PvE. With that said, I don't see changes like this stopping anytime soon. They've been making the game easier since I started playing. They're going to continue to do so. Maybe it's not fair. However, that's the reality we're currently living in. There's not much we can do about that.

I mean, we could always go back to only killers being able to obtain battle high if things are too easy.

They either need to go back to the old BH gain rate, or need to remove BHs healing potency increase.

[Avarence]

What about changing BH +% to something different than +10% (50% total)?
BH helps encourage people to fight for something more then just points.

You could also remove BH but increase points gained per kill.
Or remove the +heal% from Recuperate.

But IMO, as someone who has BH5 consistently, I've thought +50% was too strong an advantage over players with BH 0.
So perhaps +5% per BH could be an idea.

Thoughts?

[Mawlzy]

What about changing BH +% to something different than +10% (50% total)?
BH helps encourage people to fight for something more then just points.

You could also remove BH but increase points gained per kill.
Or remove the +heal% from Recuperate.

But IMO, as someone who has BH5 consistently, I've thought +50% was too strong an advantage over players with BH 0.
So perhaps +5% per BH could be an idea.

Thoughts?

I think the dps advantage is fine as is, but making BH5 players much harder to KO is too much. Maybe +10% offensive for each BH level, +5% for healing.

Possibly award more kill points for deleting a BH5 enemy. Have their icon flash, both above them and on the map?

[Exmo]

BH should turn you into a glass cannon. If BH5 gave +50% offensive BUT -30% defensive, it would mitigate steamrolling, further encourage players to focus high BH enemies, and advance more interesting intra-team strategies

[TakumiHarada]

It turned back to the Salted + Dive + Hysteria + Seduced crap that has gone on and on and on and on for literally years.
Comet is hot garbage because it's telegraphed and Casters intrinsically got a dmg reduction. Healers and Ranged (maybe except MCH for solo dmg) are absolutely hopeless too.
If I were the devs I wouldn't try to be creative because some people just want to do the same old brainless combo until the end of service.

I'm bored though.

[Divinemights]

It turned back to the Salted + Dive + Hysteria + Seduced crap that has gone on and on and on and on for literally years.
Comet is hot garbage because it's telegraphed and Casters intrinsically got a dmg reduction. Healers and Ranged (maybe except MCH for solo dmg) are absolutely hopeless too.
If I were the devs I wouldn't try to be creative because some people just want to do the same old brainless combo until the end of service.

I'm bored though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfs8QA4JubU

Comet is for group vs group engagement and it works just fine in the above video

[Lizzit]

Frontlines was the only thing left in the game I loved doing so oh well, another thing taken away.

sad. you're probably the only person in all of Eorzea who actually enjoys frontlines