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    Quote Originally Posted by DallsBeep View Post
    I think the people complaining about premades are just too lazy to make on themselves but they still want to win games by putting in the least effort possible. The whole "it makes the game boring" makes no sense. If premades are really such a menace then making your own premade to fight them should be some fun competition. If you don't like competition then what are you doing in PVP to start with?
    You've got it backwards. People only make premades because it turns the game into easy mode. They don't need to be good or skillful or creative when they can just follow their designated leader's instructions, align LBs and win by pressing one button. Players who go into premades are looking for easy, lazy, low effort wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You've got it backwards. People only make premades because it turns the game into easy mode. They don't need to be good or skillful or creative when they can just follow their designated leader's instructions, align LBs and win by pressing one button. Players who go into premades are looking for easy, lazy, low effort wins.
    If the other side simply communicating with each other makes it impossible for you to win then what makes you think you deserved to win in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DallsBeep View Post
    If the other side simply communicating with each other makes it impossible for you to win then what makes you think you deserved to win in the first place?
    They're not simply communicating. They're in a discord call where communication is vastly easier than in-game chat. If you think there's no difference between in-game chat and voice calls, why do you suppose every static under the sun raids with a discord VC as the default?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    They're not simply communicating. They're in a discord call where communication is vastly easier than in-game chat. If you think there's no difference between in-game chat and voice calls, why do you suppose every static under the sun raids with a discord VC as the default?
    "They're not simply communicating, they're communicating in some arbitrary way that I don't approve of!"

    lmao The absolute state of "pvp" on this game, geezus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DallsBeep View Post
    "They're not simply communicating, they're communicating in some arbitrary way that I don't approve of!"

    lmao The absolute state of "pvp" on this game, geezus.
    You can't answer because you know I'm right

    Hey if premades were only matched with other premades, the playing field would be fair. I don't see how anyone could possibly have an issue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You can't answer because you know I'm right

    Hey if premades were only matched with other premades, the playing field would be fair. I don't see how anyone could possibly have an issue with that.
    The game already tries to do that, but how exactly do you propose the game differentiate between one strong, shotcalling group against a group of casual FC friends that you don't even notice? That's kind of the issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You can't answer because you know I'm right
    I'm still waiting for and answer on why you deserve to win if the other party talking to each other is too OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DallsBeep View Post
    I'm still waiting for and answer on why you deserve to win if the other party talking to each other is too OP.
    The premise is absurd. Teams don't win because they "deserve" to win.

    No comment from you on the suggestion of only matching premades with other premades. I'll take that to mean you have no problems with the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    They're not simply communicating. They're in a discord call where communication is vastly easier than in-game chat. If you think there's no difference between in-game chat and voice calls, why do you suppose every static under the sun raids with a discord VC as the default?
    You're on hard cope mode at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You've got it backwards. People only make premades because it turns the game into easy mode. They don't need to be good or skillful or creative when they can just follow their designated leader's instructions, align LBs and win by pressing one button. Players who go into premades are looking for easy, lazy, low effort wins.
    I don't see this holding up well. If it's not the premades we're following that's focusing on killing, then it's the shotcallers we're following that focused on objectives. Either way, we're following someone. Otherwise, the alliance collapses, and everyone is pushing for the game to end by any means necessary. Anyways, the reason why the game feels easy is because everyone is running the same strategy every game. It just happens to be some of the premades who are seeing this and using that fact to exploit. If it wasn't the case, then we wouldn't be zerging as much. Just saying.
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