Ty SE for BLM changes!

[Basteala]

I was seeing more BLM players in 7.0 as well and the growth of BLM just looks to be continuing for me. It is much easier to play now for sure, I think for the majority the job will now be more nice to play. Honestly shocked it wasn't simplified sooner given how popular Black Mage is overall due to it being iconic within FF series as a whole.
Sorry you're not enjoying it, I felt the same going from STB astro to SHB ast. But I am quite enjoying the changes myself.

That's kind of the thing, though. When you have unique classes with interesting and deep interactions, not everyone is going to like it. People that play a burst DPS class may not enjoy a DoT heavy class, and neither might like a pet class, but the people PLAYING those classes will love and cherish them. By bringing everything so samey and monotonous so "more people play it", so more people like it, you're sacrificing everyone that loves it.

And as a result, you have a lot of classes everyone likes. You have a game with a lot of "meh" jobs, whereas before, while people may not have agreed on what job was great, most everyone could agree their main job was great.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about , so why are you even interjecting your opinion? To put it to you in a way you might understand, what they've done to BLM was like taking 5.0 SAM and turning it into 7.1 VPR literally overnight.

There's literally no skill to playing it now. None. It feels fuckin odd to fuck up my rotation, KNOW that I fucked it up, and yet.... there's no penalty, really. It's literally giving me a cognitive dissonance that is frankly disgusting. When you make the timer such an important part of the job, and you rip it out, but dont' put anything in its place.... you've ruined it.

Classic "Chesterton's Fence" mentality.



This. They absolutely, as a culture, don't get sarcasm. The Japanese are an oddly earnest people in many ways. They either mean EXACTLY what they say, or they're lying, but no sarcasm. It mostly flies over their heads.



Thank you. I'm glad you, a person who doesn't main BLM and doesn't really even care to, are enjoying it. I'm glad they literally ruined my main, my favorite job, just to make you slightly less inconvenienced. I'm so happy that I'm unsubbed now. After all, they don't need ME anymore... they have YOU!

Like, you make the serious mistake of thinking I care if more people play it. I don't. I never have. I only care if it is designed to cater to those who enjoy its playstyle as it is, and SE obviously don't want to anymore. I unironically only care if BLM is desgined for BLM mains. For me. I don't care about anyone else enjoying it, period.

Being pointlessly hostile to people that are being perfectly polite isn't going to help you or get changes, but go off I guess. It's not gonna make you feel better. You can unsub or do like I did when they made ast into something I didn't enjoy, play a different job. If BLM was all that was keeping you here that's fair enough to unsub and play a different game. I swapped to BLM for a tier but found myself too busy to raid as much as I would like, so I am taking a break on savage till I finish my studies. Just because I also enjoy other jobs doesn't make my enjoyment of BLM any lesser than yours. Nor make me any less entitled to a BLM I enjoy playing.

Also JP people understand sarcasm perfectly well, Kyoto people especially. Can y'all stop making ridiculous blanket statements about an entire country of people.

[Auro_Seldaris]

Being pointlessly hostile to people that are being perfectly polite isn't going to help you or get changes, but go off I guess. It's not gonna make you feel better. You can unsub or do like I did when they made ast into something I didn't enjoy, play a different job. If BLM was all that was keeping you here that's fair enough to unsub and play a different game. I swapped to BLM for a tier but found myself too busy to raid as much as I would like, so I am taking a break on savage till I finish my studies. Just because I also enjoy other jobs doesn't make my enjoyment of BLM any lesser than yours. Nor make me any less entitled to a BLM I enjoy playing.

Also JP people understand sarcasm perfectly well, Kyoto people especially. Can y'all stop making ridiculous blanket statements about an entire country of people.

So it's fine to ruin it for me as long as it's for your benefit, is that right?

My right to MY main ends where YOUR right to enjoy fiddling around with it begins, is that right?

[Basteala]

Being pointlessly hostile to people that are being perfectly polite isn't going to help you or get changes, but go off I guess. It's not gonna make you feel better. You can unsub or do like I did when they made ast into something I didn't enjoy, play a different job. If BLM was all that was keeping you here that's fair enough to unsub and play a different game. I swapped to BLM for a tier but found myself too busy to raid as much as I would like, so I am taking a break on savage till I finish my studies. Just because I also enjoy other jobs doesn't make my enjoyment of BLM any lesser than yours. Nor make me any less entitled to a BLM I enjoy playing.

Also JP people understand sarcasm perfectly well, Kyoto people especially. Can y'all stop making ridiculous blanket statements about an entire country of people.

Well let's be honest, if you're a caster: they already gutted SMN as you pointed out, RDM is a hybrid caster at best and frustrating with how impotent it feels. That left BLM for true caster mains, and the sad thing is that's arguably still the case.

But BLM is simpler than PCT now. It's simpler than SMN. It's primary damage rotation is on par with White Mage right now. Hell, I would argue White Mage DPS is more complicated because at least you need to consider your Lilies for Blood Lily stuff. At least in AoEs, there's an illusion of choice with how to manage Holy. BLM doesn't even have that.

The way fight design is going, I can kind of understand removing Timers. Fine. But removing Timers and giving BLM nothing in its place to necessitate a proper rotation is not okay. This would be like if when they reworked SMN, they didn't even give you your summons and all you had to do was Ruin spam, with the odd Aetherflow.

Also you're talking about being pointlessly hostile to people yet you're turning down honest discussion to get into a fight? Really? Are you wanting to talk Black Mage or are you just looking to argue on the forums for its own sake?

[Auro_Seldaris]

They explicitly said that the BLM changes were made to accommodate faster DDR in fights.

Im going to relate the astral timer on BLM to the songs for bard. I don't think it was a timer issue, they just added the potential for bards to cast their songs without needing a target. If the devs were worried about fight design + strict timers, they would have made this bard change ages ago.

Here's the article where the statement is quoted btw, if you "need the receipts" hotdamjam:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...ck-mage-rework

The result is a twofold rework: various actions have lower cooldowns, and the Astral Fire and Umbral Ice statuses “will no longer expire.” This is a result of the fact that “future battle design may cause difficulty with casting spells,” implying that upcoming instances may focus more on fast-paced fights that don’t give you a lot of downtime to channel long cooldown spells.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

So it's fine to ruin it for me as long as it's for your benefit, is that right?

My right to MY main ends where YOUR right to enjoy fiddling around with it begins, is that right?

Not what I am saying at all, you've as much right to it as I do. And for a long time that's exactly what you had, similar to what I had with AST in stb. Really that simple. It sucks it's changed to something you really can't find joy in, but others also find it more enjoyable.

[YukioKobayashi]

So it's fine to ruin it for me as long as it's for your benefit, is that right?

My right to MY main ends where YOUR right to enjoy fiddling around with it begins, is that right?

Holy Sh** ... what is wrong with you?
You and many others are upset about the changes. We get it... but going off at strangers that are sharing their opinion about the changes wont change anything. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Edit: Beside that ..I think the changes are even good for you after looking at the "black/blue wiki". You yourself are one of the reasons why BLM got changed.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Well let's be honest, if you're a caster: they already gutted SMN as you pointed out, RDM is a hybrid caster at best and frustrating with how impotent it feels. That left BLM for true caster mains, and the sad thing is that's arguably still the case.

But BLM is simpler than PCT now. It's simpler than SMN. It's primary damage rotation is on par with White Mage right now. Hell, I would argue White Mage DPS is more complicated because at least you need to consider your Lilies for Blood Lily stuff. At least in AoEs, there's an illusion of choice with how to manage Holy. BLM doesn't even have that.

The way fight design is going, I can kind of understand removing Timers. Fine. But removing Timers and giving BLM nothing in its place to necessitate a proper rotation is not okay. This would be like if when they reworked SMN, they didn't even give you your summons and all you had to do was Ruin spam, with the odd Aetherflow.

Also you're talking about being pointlessly hostile to people yet you're turning down honest discussion to get into a fight? Really? Are you wanting to talk Black Mage or are you just looking to argue on the forums for its own sake?

I was quite content to leave my initial post to stand on it's own. I've made my point and didn't discuss further with others because I had nothing to add or detract. I responded because they quoted me and were rude about it. Some people are unhappy with the changes and that's perfectly valid. SMN could do with some complexity being returned for sure, but I am much happier that it actually matches it's name and expectation I have for a summoner, when I was new and found it to be more of a dot mage with only the occaisional cool summon I was disappointed. Although much as I do love bahamut I was not thrilled to see them just tack on another version of bahamut to it for dawntrail, that feels really lazy. I like others was hoping for something like Odin, Ramuh, Shiva to be added as alternatives to Ifrit, Garuda and Titan.

I said already I enjoyed the slow BLM style a lot, I never liked sps blm at all. I wanted slow casts with big meaty hits. But given how much movement is in the combat encounters even the slower cast time is still feeling alright to me and I am enjoying the job still. It could still be made better, thunder still needing you to swap element is seeming laregly pointless for instance. And I hope in 8.0 they lean into the big booms aspect and change up the astral/umbral phase. I've as much to dislike over jobs being made more samey and simple in the name of broader appeal as anyone else given my three mained jobs in stb were AST, MNK and DRK. I've never been able to enjoy DRK since. On the plus side the newer classes having much less button bloat and more approachable rotations means I've been able to recruit more friends to play who fell off other games due to have to many buttons to spam, *cough* WoW.

[LinaAkayomi]

BLM changes good, honestly
Only people complaining are those who made it playing that janky job their only defining trait
Even The Balance agrees after the servers went live, that the changes aren't as bad as they anticipated

[Auro_Seldaris]

Holy Sh** ... what is wrong with you?
You and many others are upset about the changes. We get it... but going off at strangers that are sharing their opinion about the changes wont change anything. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Edit: Beside that ..I think the changes are even good for you after looking at the "black/blue wiki". You yourself are one of the reasons why BLM got changed.

Ah... "muh parselogs". As if that's literally the only thing that matters. IDGAF about parsing, friend.

I don't have anything against that person, personally. I dislike their attitude that "it's ok to ruin it if it benefits me".