They are gutting Black Mage even more in 7.2

[Kozh]

Like, if he was actually serious about that statement, and they have legitimate plans to overhaul every job to restore its sense of identity in 8.0, how does he think tripling down on homogenization during the 7.x patches will help that? If it were up to me, I would think it would make more sense to start restoring job identity piecemeal during the patches before the "big leap" in 8.0. From all appearances, they’re simplifying and homogenizing the jobs to cater to the "more challenging raid content," but if they actually follow through on a serious overhaul of the jobs in 8.0, they’ll want to revisit the encounter design again after that because the overhauled jobs will no longer “fit” with the encounter design.

This is why it’s a fool's errand to try and work on encounter design in a vacuum separated from job design. The two are intrinsically linked, and if you don’t build one with consideration for the other, you end up in a cycle of “fix encounters-fix jobs-fix encounters-fix jobs…” ad infinitum.

Maybe they make 7.x job feel so bad that people will love 8.0 "rework" haha

/j in case (but also not really)

[Illianaro]

Maybe they make 7.x job feel so bad that people will love 8.0 "rework" haha

/j in case (but also not really)

The newest, boldest strategy! "If we make the design absolutely terrible across the board, then revert it back to ShB/EW era design, it'll look like a rework!" pointing at side of head meme

[AnotherPerson]

The newest, boldest strategy! "If we make the design absolutely terrible across the board, then revert it back to ShB/EW era design, it'll look like a rework!" pointing at side of head meme

It's been always on my mind that they would think this is a good solution when it's the worst one they could choose, as evidenced with the current trend of events. If they truly did implement this, people who were patiently waiting for any sign of things to fix itself will just snap after being lied to for another couple of years and another large group of players will flood the forums while the rest just quietly quit. Just as it has happened multiple times in the forums throughout these last couple of years already.

[Illianaro]

It's been always on my mind that they would think this is a good solution when it's the worst one they could choose, as evidenced with the current trend of events. If they truly did implement this, people who were patiently waiting for any sign of things to fix itself will just snap after being lied to for another couple of years and another large group of players will flood the forums while the rest just quietly quit. Just as it has happened multiple times in the forums throughout these last couple of years already.

If they actually, seriously, took this approach with the "rework," I absolutely think this would be my breaking point with this game. There's been plenty that I am critical of/frustrated about with FFXIV, but I'm still currently deriving enough joy from the game to continue playing at this time - I've been all in on the crafting/gathering side of the game.

But them doing something like breaking the job system just to fix it and make it look like a rework, would drive me away, even if I was still having fun. It would demonstrate to me how utterly lacking in integrity they have become.

[Auro_Seldaris]

It's been always on my mind that they would think this is a good solution when it's the worst one they could choose, as evidenced with the current trend of events. If they truly did implement this, people who were patiently waiting for any sign of things to fix itself will just snap after being lied to for another couple of years and another large group of players will flood the forums while the rest just quietly quit. Just as it has happened multiple times in the forums throughout these last couple of years already.

BTW, remember, you only have the right to post here if you have an active sub. So, if you stop paying, you lose the right to complain in the only place you're told you can "officially" do it. And you will be gaslit with, "If you're subbed, you have no right to complain" by one half of the Great Community by the Way, and "If you're not subbed, its useless to complain cause it's not on the official forum" by the OTHER half of the Great Community by the Way.

So there's no way to complain without supporting their decision making, and there's no way to quit while still having your voice heard.

[xbahax92]

BTW, remember, you only have the right to post here if you have an active sub. So, if you stop paying, you lose the right to complain in the only place you're told you can "officially" do it. And you will be gaslit with, "If you're subbed, you have no right to complain" by one half of the Great Community by the Way, and "If you're not subbed, its useless to complain cause it's not on the official forum" by the OTHER half of the Great Community by the Way.

So there's no way to complain without supporting their decision making, and there's no way to quit while still having your voice heard.

And once you announce the "I will quit the game for xyz reason", you get the famous "Can I get your stuff" or "You won't be missed" answers first.
Unless it has become a critical situation wherein player retention and FFXIV profits go backwards. Then we add the :shocked_Pikachu_face:.

[Auro_Seldaris]

And once you announce the "I will quit the game for xyz reason", you get the famous "Can I get your stuff" or "You won't be missed" answers first.
Unless it has become a critical situation wherein player retention and FFXIV profits go backwards. Then we add the :shocked_Pikachu_face:.

Wish I could upvote more than once, literally couldn't have said it better

[Illianaro]

And once you announce the "I will quit the game for xyz reason", you get the famous "Can I get your stuff" or "You won't be missed" answers first.
Unless it has become a critical situation wherein player retention and FFXIV profits go backwards. Then we add the :shocked_Pikachu_face:.

Yes, or worse, people will come back with "sure, you'll be back, and then you'll say 'I'm leaving at x patch for sure if they don't fix y.'" Like there's always an excuse made to disregard somebody's stance or minimize the loss of players.

[Wired-Lain]

And once you announce the "I will quit the game for xyz reason", you get the famous "Can I get your stuff" or "You won't be missed" answers first.
Unless it has become a critical situation wherein player retention and FFXIV profits go backwards. Then we add the :shocked_Pikachu_face:.

It never ceases to weird me out how often MMO players celebrate people abandoning their... Massively Multiplayer Online Game.

[Lorika]

It never ceases to weird me out how often MMO players celebrate people abandoning their... Massively Multiplayer Online Game.

Well for the "Can i get your stuff?", the one to blame for that was over dramatic players doing a rage quit and writing a flamming post about it while saying they will never come back and that they are giving their gears and stuff away.... Then it get turned into a meme for when a player did a rage quit post on forum.