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  1. #10751
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Dusty Two
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    Behemoth
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    ya know, I did say I wanted WHM to better mirror BLM but this really wasn't what I meant

    It'd be funny if by some miracle WHM got something that increases its complexity this patch
    I had similar thoughts; I wanted Glare to have a 2.8s cast time or so, a "healing stance" that could be used to build lilies akin to Umbral Ice, effectively making Misery into a Paradox analogue, and only a handful of instant casts/short casts for movement and weaves. The last thing I wanted was for BLM to become what the live letter showed.
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  2. #10752
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    If you mean this, then say it on your main. (ᗒᗨᗕ)
    No clue why people want to waste their time making burner accounts to "troll" these forums but to each their own I guess. (◍´͈ꈊ`͈◍)
    The healer strike accomplished nothing and now they're destroying black mage too.

    I think it's time to give up and go home, or find a better game because you'd think that 1000 pages warrant even a passing mention in an interview. Except, it's radio silence.

    Clearly they don't care so why should you care about this game?

    Realistically only a general strike would even do anything at this point, but the community just fights itself lol. Look at the number of people on The Balance who are laughing at black mage saying they got their comeuppance. And remember how every other role made fun of the healer strike? So even that route is off the table because the community would rather fight itself than fight the devs.

    Have some self respect and stop allowing yourselves to be taken advantage of. Remember to leave a bad review on Steam and Metacritic on your way out. Tell your friends thinking of getting into FF14 to stay far, far away. That's the best anyone can do. There is no future for FF14. (There might be a future if the community bands together in solidarity, but alas..)
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    Last edited by HealerStrike; 03-16-2025 at 03:33 PM.

  3. #10753
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HealerStrike View Post
    The healer strike accomplished nothing and now they're destroying black mage too.
    Ideally, the more jobs SE destroys the identity/playstyle of, the more voices join the protest

    Unfortunately, as you mention, it seems far too many players refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy of saying 'I hate what they're doing to my class, but also those guys complaining about their class for 5+ years should stop complaining there's no problem there'

    If every Job who's gameplay had been negatively impacted by SE's crusade for 'accessibility' or whatever reasoning they trot out, actually came together and said 'we don't like the changes SE thrust upon our Jobs', who'd be left to whiteknight for the company? Almost every job at this point has had some 'moment' in the past that has negatively impacted their gameplay/identity and alienated old fans.

    At this point, I think it's like... GNB and RDM? Are the only jobs that don't have a sizeable amount of complaints around them (regarding 'I miss old version of Job')? Even worse is things like SGE, where the complaints aren't 'I miss old version', but moreso 'there didn't get to be an old version to miss, because SE shortcutted straight to making it a copy of the bad version of SCH we're now complaining about'
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  4. #10754
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    Loggos's Avatar
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Twintania
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Even worse is things like SGE, where the complaints aren't 'I miss old version', but moreso 'there didn't get to be an old version to miss, because SE shortcutted straight to making it a copy of the bad version of SCH we're now complaining about'
    I think with sage it's "what we could have had". We were promised a heals-via-DPS-based healer but like you said we got a weaker scholer with tecno aesthetics, so in this case it's the squandered potential that is rubbed into our faces.
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  5. #10755
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    Kozh's Avatar
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    Corvo Aerden
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    Kujata
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Fr it's a shame because I like SGE vibe/looks the most. Them being sort of medical/science-y healer, and nouliths is cool as hell. But the gameplay..... it's very dry. I know it's copy paste from sch, but idk, sch still feels better for some reason.

    *I don't play whm so I can't speak of it.
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  6. #10756
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I don't understand SGE, I tried but it just infuriates me at every turn, I went back to learning how to play SCH instead because it doesn't annoy me.
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  7. #10757
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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    There are times when I feel like SGE is what you get when what you wanted is a WHM that hasn't been constrained by being the purest of "pure" healers, but instead you need to shoehorn the job into being a "barrier" healer.

    EDIT: In terms of gameplay, I mean. The aesthetics are obviously worlds apart.
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    Last edited by AmiableApkallu; 03-18-2025 at 07:26 AM. Reason: clarification

  8. #10758
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    SongOfTheWind's Avatar
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    Freja Heleh
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    Moogle
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    There are times when I feel like SGE is what you get when what you wanted is a WHM that hasn't been constrained by being the purest of "pure" healers, but instead you need to shoehorn the job into being a "barrier" healer.

    EDIT: In terms of gameplay, I mean. The aesthetics are obviously worlds apart.
    I see so many WHM mains loving sge, that it must be true.
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  9. #10759
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    There are times when I feel like SGE is what you get when what you wanted is a WHM that hasn't been constrained by being the purest of "pure" healers, but instead you need to shoehorn the job into being a "barrier" healer.

    EDIT: In terms of gameplay, I mean. The aesthetics are obviously worlds apart.
    That's an interesting viewpoint.
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  10. #10760
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    That's an interesting viewpoint.
    Let me elaborate: In the context of FFXIV's current encounter design...

    No one has ever accused WHM of being the bestest of "pure" healers, nor has anyone accused of SGE of being the bestest "barrier" healer. On the other hand, people have accused WHM of lacking in barriers, and SGE of putting out too much regens/HP.

    Take SGE, delete Kardia, rename (Pan)Haima as Regenerative Stoneskin/Protect (or whatever, I'm bad at names), smoosh what's left into current WHM, and... I think that might make for a reasonable jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none healer.

    And that, I think, is perfectly fitting for a healer that you can pick up at Lv.1 and take through the MSQ and Be Viable in Content(tm), while being in keeping with previous Final Fantasy games where the only healer was... a white mage (or close derivative).
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