Do you still think FFXIV should be Monthly Sub Model ?

[DendrielConcade]

I'd rather pay my Sub than have a game where cosmetics are actively thrown at my face and they lock content within expansions past prices or even more hellish grinds. For instance, Warframe being entirely free, technically lets you get everything for free but is RNG hell and a grindfest. Imagine FFXIV Relic Weapons needing Cash-shop Chance Boosters to make getting the resources for the Relics actually reliable, or just spending a lot more time on it, or getting the paid currency to buy the resources for it. The biggest issue atm is the obvious lack of anything casual going on of note, making it feel like a waste to idle as the Devs spend months to give us something serviceable for casual active goings that isn't just a beast-tribe or A-Raid and N-Raids to touch once a week. We've been stuck for a whole patch as casual players idling as Raiders get dripfed content at a decent pace, and practically stuck waiting for 7.25 till we get a massive notable piece of casual content when we haven't even hit 7.2 yet.

[Clockworks]

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I'd rather pay my Sub than have a game where cosmetics are actively thrown at my face and they lock content within expansions past prices or even more hellish grinds.

So like.... FFXIV ?

Yall keep trying to justify the pay to play model by using exactly what FFXIV is doing and saying "at least FFXIV is not doing this so its worth it", while literally it is, 90% of what you guys are writing as a justification for the pay to play model are things that are already happening in the game. Please get a reality check.

I dont like free to play games nor do I think the game should go free to play because it'd make an already bad community into an even worse one over time, but yall's justification for it is not it.

[DendrielConcade]

So like.... FFXIV ?

Yall keep trying to justify the pay to play model by using exactly what FFXIV is doing and saying "at least FFXIV is not doing this so its worth it", while literally it is, 90% of what you guys are writing as a justification for the pay to play model are things that are already happening in the game. Please get a reality check.

I dont like free to play games nor do I think the game should go free to play because it'd make an already bad community into an even worse one over time, but yall's justification for it is not it.

Excuse me, when did the game open and tell me "The New Outfit/Hairstyle Came Out! Please check this out, it is truly worth the $24 USD it costs for one singular outfit."? The game literally never actively advertises anything in the game that isn't something you can just get for free in-game or is just a Collab with strange conditions(Pizza/Bucket of Chicken). Events always have free content, or bought with Gil items associated with the event. I practically get ads for Warframe every time I see it listed on Steam, logging into it after an age essentially hits me with ads, and don't get me started on the Platinum Discounts that mega-incentivize you to pay money. There is also not a single piece of content locked behind the initial payment of an Expansion, the Expansion itself costs money yes, but nothing else in it costs anything more than your time.

[Fatch38]

Excuse me, when did the game open and tell me "The New Outfit/Hairstyle Came Out! Please check this out, it is truly worth the $24 USD it costs for one singular outfit."?

technically when you open the game the launcher does exactly this. but if i had to answer strictly at the thread, do i think the game should keep the mounthly sub ? yeah. but does the game in the actual state deserve these sub ? no.

[Espon]

Excuse me, when did the game open and tell me "The New Outfit/Hairstyle Came Out! Please check this out, it is truly worth the $24 USD it costs for one singular outfit."?

Actually it'd probably be more like, "The New Outfit/Hairstyle Came Out! Chance to obtain this in a new loot crate you can buy!", since SE always ends up adding loot crates to their F2P games. You then spend $30 on 10 loot crates and end up with 4 Gold Saucer VIP Cards, a Fantasia, 3 Hyper Potion x10 boxes, a Wayward Hatchling, plus 10 pity points. Collect 100 pity points and you can trade them for that Outfit/Hairstyle, but those pity points are only for that particular loot crate and you can't save them up for the next one that comes out.

[CCheshire]

TBH even with all the issues regarding hats I'd still prefer subs over F2P hell days like MMO by Nexon when I played when I couldn't afford better games as a kid. I'm glad we don't have gacha boxes and I'll be glad until the end of time since they really tank the MMO reputation like no other.

[Clockworks]

Excuse me, when did the game open and tell me "The New Outfit/Hairstyle Came Out! Please check this out, it is truly worth the $24 USD it costs for one singular outfit."? The game literally never actively advertises anything in the game that isn't something you can just get for free in-game or is just a Collab with strange conditions(Pizza/Bucket of Chicken). Events always have free content, or bought with Gil items associated with the event. I practically get ads for Warframe every time I see it listed on Steam, logging into it after an age essentially hits me with ads, and don't get me started on the Platinum Discounts that mega-incentivize you to pay money. There is also not a single piece of content locked behind the initial payment of an Expansion, the Expansion itself costs money yes, but nothing else in it costs anything more than your time.

Literally every time you open the launcher. (and you have to go through it to log in)

Also lol @ the other claims considering how mediocre not only the event themselves are but also the rewards.

[Kaurhz]

I think it should be a monthly sub model. Given the game is part of the FF franchise and given a lot of players are really hardcore fans of the FF series, it would be a case where if they really wanted to they could monetize this game so so much more.

They would monetize more cosmetics, more items would be released exclusively through MogStation-- More than what there currently is, and then we will eventually get into a situation where we have crappy loot-crate / gambling-esque systems, then who knows, maybe they'll eventually go down the path of supporting directly buying prestigious items.

The only thing I would say is that granted, the state of the game at the moment just puts it in a spot where it's difficult to justify the subscription without extrinsic factors, e.g., friends, or if you're here for more social aspects of the game, versus being content driven. But I do think the alternative is still much worse.

and we can argue that.. More Money = More stuff.. But demonstrably this isn't the case.

[DendrielConcade]

Literally every time you open the launcher. (and you have to go through it to log in)

Also lol @ the other claims considering how mediocre not only the event themselves are but also the rewards.

Yes the big technicality is the launcher tells you, nothing when you're actually in-game which is the exact point I made in bold text. People can just use quick log and not pay attention, or the other Launcher to not even see the screen by technicality, plus currently the Collab overshadows the Zero Outfit anyways so if your info is saved you can just never see it via quick-log. Steam News Updates do not show the Shop Items either, its entirely listing updates and events.

Also who cares if the Events aren't giving us several upon several things in hand, they could just not give us a thing except quests and little deco in cities and Wards(only bad part of this though is how comical re-listing old event items on the shop for way too high of a price). This is still infinitely better than the slop they shovel in your face weather you like it or not with F2P games, because running things cost money, and if we aren't paying monthly subs, you surely are going to see many more adverts out of game let alone now seeing them in-game. Are you comfortable seeing their high cost Optional gear much more, let alone other content that potentially directly influences your gameplay?

[Zarkovitch]

I rather keep monthly than free to play, square enix free to play are prime exemple they are not great to make them. Plus the majority of NA playerbase do not do the content they propose, like ultimate, savage or heck chaotic due to nature of playbase.