Cut the ability to queue as a group in Frontline

[Exmo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

It doesn't really look like the enemy team in each video was necessarily a premade. In the first video they're pretty scattered, but it looks like they just finished off their crystal so probably had LBs and cooldowns available, so looks like a standard rush. The second video can be attributed to their BH.

[Atreus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

I'm glad everyone else tore those videos apart. Like I watched your whole group do nothing in response to what was happening to them in that first video. One reaper took zero action. No purify, guard, and died with full MP. The other took minor, lethargic action. What the hell is your bard even doing up that close, of course he died. As for you, yeah you were casting Malefic while getting dunked on.

This is pretty normal for Frontline players, but please let's ALL keep talking like premades are ruining the high tier competition.

[TofuLove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

What is blatantly unacceptable to me is coming to forums to complain about gameplay "problems" and not looking at your own gameplay to see faults. Others have said this, it is 100% a skill issue. It absolutely is. Are these people a "premade" or are they just...better because they are pvping? Somebody has to be better in a pvp game.

Truthfully, how much time do you need to react to drk intiating?
You can see them moving towards you with the group behind them from the beginning of that vid, and I swear I would be able to see them from a mile away. Why is your map not open?
You should always be looking at how enemy might potentially engage you.

As a healer rather than spamming malefic, i expected to see macrocosmos or lady thrown out or even a benefic.
Stop being so focussed on the ice... it's painful to watch.

[Divinemights]

I think it is fair for any individual that complains about premade need to post their own gameplay video first
This is such a waste of time

[JokoCGN]

still FL is getting worse and worse. it's not about pvp maps/modes over all, it's about players interaction / skill issue. u'd be happy if ur team have about 10/24 peeps doing PvP at all and not just being afk for exp or running 'round like headless chickens not able to use their like 5 buttons.
but let's be real, never gonna change.

[Aravell]

There's no way anything is changing until every player who queues for Frontlines can be made to care about winning. Until then, people will continue to just put in minimal effort because "I hate PvP, I just want the rewards!" or "It's just a game, tryhard!".

[Mawlzy]

There's no way anything is changing until every player who queues for Frontlines can be made to care about winning. Until then, people will continue to just put in minimal effort because "I hate PvP, I just want the rewards!" or "It's just a game, tryhard!".

This really is the bottom line. And if SE/GMs won't do it through auto-kick mechanisms and bans, players who care need to up the pressure by vote-kicking and reporting lollygaggers and other miscreants. Which is frankly a PITA, but if we don't do it the situation is not going to change.

[Mawlzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else.

Does this sort of thing not happen in Japan? It would explain the problem lasting for so long...

Credit to your team member in the 2nd video for marking the enemy DRKs. Unfortunately it appeared nobody was taking advantage of that information.

If you're on a team of randos and face two DRK-led premades, you're going to lose. Particularly on Shatter. I've always felt that indicates a flaw in the mode. The fundamental problem is that the entry-level PvP mode in this game matches n00bs with highly-skilled and experienced players, with the nature of LB burst magnifying the skill difference.

If matchmaking is not introduced, the best path forward is to cull those who are not interested in trying. Unfortunately, on Shatter in particular, I suspect this will be a palliative rather than a panacea. Maybe the promised role actions will provide a means to blunt the efficacy of coordinated bursts. Lol. Yeah, right.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG43f1KkAWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3oSIdIz0Ps

This is blatantly unacceptable. This is not about "skill issue" or whatever. This is about 4-8 people all in their own group ruining Frontline for everyone else. There is a clear difference between your party not being good enough on an individual level, and 8 people who do this all the time, all ganging up and stomping on everyone else[...]

Those were quite painful to watch. Your alliance were tunnel visioning for an ice. Your alliance simply.... stood there obediently. Waiting for something at all hitting them. And by the time that happens, it's usually already too late. Those players who died with 7000+ MP? Yeah... they have no self preservation. Not even guards seen in first vid.

You also died within 8 seconds since after you receive the first damage (from megaflare) and did absolutely nothing to persevere yourself. No guard. No recuperate. No Asp Benefic. No macro.

Second vid feels too short since it doesn't show what happens before they jumped at your alliance but from the looks of it, DRK has been marked. Meaning there's at least 1 person in your alliance who's aware of their threat and made it easier for your alliance to spot them.... to no avail, because amongst those who have died, this piece of information just does not register to them... or rather, glossed over. It's quite likely they pulled off the same 'strat' at your alliance and... what a surprise, it worked.

Just another day in Frontline... apparently, lol. That's how terrible the player quality is.

Kill enemy & don't die = Get BH = Kills/survive easier = Lick ice faster = More Ice for you = Less Ice for them. It's not rocket science. This is skill issue.

[FatCatEnjoyer]

i like my hard fights but its also incredibly fun to dunk on players like these lmao

edit: seen the video, SKILL ISSUE