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    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    As much as people hate to hear this, yes, it is. You have absolutely zero way to get this information within the game except for 1/5/10 clears of the final savage floor of the tier.

    That means that you are using an external site to artificially gate someone that already qualifies for the party with the restrictions we have in game (Duty complete setting). That does qualify for misuse.



    You can ask people to be at a certain prog point, nothing's stopping you from doing so. But if you go to a certain external website to get information you have no way of knowing and kick someone out according to that information that you should have no way of knowing, yes, it's misuse.



    That should be a given that people should know their rotation before doing hard content. You don't exactly need any external tools to know that a SAM that's lower enmity than the BRD with no deaths is doing something terribly wrong.
    so if sites are forbidden then discord is forbidden also
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    so if sites are forbidden then discord is forbidden also
    My point isn't "sites are forbidden", my point is how you use the site, but ok.
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    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    My point isn't "sites are forbidden", my point is how you use the site, but ok.
    Oh so for P8s week1, you cannot refuse a dps doing less damage than a tank in your pf

    Okay make sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    Oh so for P8s week1, you cannot refuse a dps doing less damage than a tank in your pf

    Okay make sense
    Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

    You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

    Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.
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    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

    You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

    Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.
    do you think it make senses that you have very tight dps check without any acces to a player dps ?

    if fflog didn't exist, and If I were raiding in pf, I will simply ask those joining my pf to do the P8s dummy in front of me

    it's not about fflogs, or act, or savage dummy, it's about -> if you have tight dps check, people will want you to know how to dps, no matter what, it totally make sense and it will happen 100% of the time, will it be through dummy/through stream/through "show me your achievments on lodestone" or else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

    You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

    Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.
    I don’t care how I obtain the data if the people joining my PF and ruining the experience for the other seven members clearly don’t respect our time.
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    The blacklist is too limited in-game, FFlogs is like a bigger blacklist
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