Apyaahi was right. DT Final Role Quest Spoilers

[ovIm]

Yeah we should of just let Ellerete and Kokonowa poison everyones drinking water, have uncontrollable laughter, and spike the food.
And We should also let Leophyne just cause ishgard's people just fall asleep, suffer corporal punishments, put guards in compromising positions, and die.
But also letting Virazahn holding the radz-at-han civilians hostage and putting innocent in danger and injuring them, all so so he can fulfill his dreams as a hero.
And Chalteaufite who only wanted to mobilize a bunch of armed thugs to pressgang ala mhigans while using armored tanks in a way to cause property damage.
And who could forget dear old Samidare who only wanted to impersonate people, make people angry, people getting into physical altercations.
Not to mention how Apyaahi wanted a bunch of riled up mercenaries, create an army of fungus-made beasts, and perform an insurrection attempt upon that Tuiloyallal.

Well, no one is really arguing in favor of Apyaahis commanders - they were self serving egoistical assholes that did harm their surroundings. Capturing them and preventing their schemes was still very much in character and aligned with the morals of the world.

With Apyaahi, its a bit different - we start up by learning more about her, in her case actually relatable, issues. Nothing about wanting people to laugh to death, or sew chaos. No, she simply did want to be master of her own fate.
The writers then decided to employ a very haphazard way of justifying the protagonist antagonize her, by making the wronged party do something so absolutely absurd and destructive that not stopping them is the wrong thing to do. I've read a good comparison somewhere, where in one of the marvel series a group of humans had their homes seized, so in retaliation they blew up a hospital. Thats the kind of hamfisted approach here that just feels wrong, especially considering that the WoL, who is usually championing for allied societies and those down on their luck, is suddenly devoid of any empathy.

There would have been better ways of handling that scenario, surely. No, instead we get a laugh track haha so funny.

[Chasingstars]

Well, no one is really arguing in favor of Apyaahis commanders - they were self serving egoistical assholes that did harm their surroundings. Capturing them and preventing their schemes was still very much in character and aligned with the morals of the world.

You mean like Apyaahi herself? After all her entire thing is she doesn't want to engage with a money-based society, doesn't want to pay for room and board, doesn't want to pay for food and drink, feels the only way to pay for a service should be by labor. And the only thing she learned in the end was:

After all, dear leader should run for office, and change those pesky laws, don't you agree?

[ovIm]

You mean like Apyaahi herself? After all her entire thing is she doesn't want to engage with a money-based society, doesn't want to pay for room and board, doesn't want to pay for food and drink, feels the only way to pay for a service should be by labor. And the only thing she learned in the end was:

After all, dear leader should run for office, and change those pesky laws, don't you agree?

Yes, you are precisely proving the point i am trying to make - why do we have a group of villains doing villain stuff, and suddenly there is someone with relatable (and fixable, mind you) issues who then gets written to say and believe asinine things like that?

[Mawlzy]

Yes, you are precisely proving the point i am trying to make - why do we have a group of villains doing villain stuff, and suddenly there is someone with relatable (and fixable, mind you) issues who then gets written to say and believe asinine things like that?

Precisely so. She makes very cogent arguments about the oppressive nature of government and commerce, rooted in personal experience, then turns into Bunny Barbie, twirls her hair around her little finger, and says something stupid. Ha bloody ha.

[tsuchii]

I thought it was cute. The role quests started with a joke theme, it's only fitting. Come on, she got kicked out of her village because she's a freeloader. She refuses to work and she's lazy. It's the punchline. Just enjoy it. Not everything has to be deep.

I wish she can return in the future and redeem herself. She's an interesting character.

[Dikatis]

Well, no one is really arguing in favor of Apyaahis commanders - they were self serving egoistical assholes that did harm their surroundings. Capturing them and preventing their schemes was still very much in character and aligned with the morals of the world.

She hand-picked them to aid in leading her organization expressly dedicated to performing global acts of terrorism in an effort to topple the nations of the world and entrusted them with stealing relics of enormous power to enable their plans. When it's pointed out that said underlings had no real loyalty to her cause and just did what they wanted, and she praises them for this.

Even before this, she thoughtlessly enters one of the most popular restaurants and social centers and openly discusses her goals in broad daylight. She doesn't even order anything to keep up the ruse of just being another customer. Her motives were always going to be kind of stupid. Even idiots can make salient points and just because she makes some worthwhile criticisms doesn't make her suddenly more understandable or reasonable.

And honestly? That's kind of realistic. Not every person who's done awful things is going to have grand reason for doing them. They may pretty it up with flowery prose, but a lot of people are just self-centered jerks who don't care for others.

[Chasingstars]

She hand-picked them to aid in leading her organization expressly dedicated to performing global acts of terrorism in an effort to topple the nations of the world and entrusted them with stealing relics of enormous power to enable their plans. When it's pointed out that said underlings had no real loyalty to her cause and just did what they wanted, and she praises them for this.

Even before this, she thoughtlessly enters one of the most popular restaurants and social centers and openly discusses her goals in broad daylight. She doesn't even order anything to keep up the ruse of just being another customer. Her motives were always going to be kind of stupid. Even idiots can make salient points and just because she makes some worthwhile criticisms doesn't make her suddenly more understandable or reasonable.

And honestly? That's kind of realistic. Not every person who's done awful things is going to have grand reason for doing them. They may pretty it up with flowery prose, but a lot of people are just self-centered jerks who don't care for others.

That and she actually has a clean slate at first after her exile, her totem isn't stolen like all of the others. Instead of using her totem smartly, she just sends the animals to attack people to try and "fix" society. If she was smart and this was the real world, she would seek to use her totem in whatever way possible to earn as much money as possible to buy whatever she wants, live however she wants, and make getting arrested into a slap on the wrist. She notices all the problems with various city states, but she does nothing about the problems, just becoming another problem.

[Mawlzy]

That and she actually has a clean slate at first after her exile, her totem isn't stolen like all of the others. Instead of using her totem smartly, she just sends the animals to attack people to try and "fix" society. If she was smart and this was the real world, she would seek to use her totem in whatever way possible to earn as much money as possible to buy whatever she wants, live however she wants, and make getting arrested into a slap on the wrist. She notices all the problems with various city states, but she does nothing about the problems, just becoming another problem.

Uhm. You didn't really understand her philosophy, huh?

[Erzaa]

She wasn't right. She was decidedly wrong.

She's a psychopath who hired other psychopaths to cause havoc and harm innocent people.

All her talk about freedom, and her salient points about how oligarchs rule over the majority, are just excuses for her own selfish desires. She's even told that, if she really wants to enact change, she could work within the system to build support and have the laws changed. And it goes right over her head.

Had she ever been successful, she would've caused even more suffering than the current leaders.

If anything, the WOL expresses true freedom throughout the whole run of the game. We, as adventurers, go wherever the wind takes us, see and experience things nobody else ever will, travel and explore distant lands, and we still manage to respect the rule of law and understand their customs and cultures of the societies we visit. That's what I would've liked to tell her, but the dialogue choices wouldn't let me, that, I'm a little miffed about.

[Supersnow845]

She wasn't right. She was decidedly wrong.

She's a psychopath who hired other psychopaths to cause havoc and harm innocent people.

All her talk about freedom, and her salient points about how oligarchs rule over the majority, are just excuses for her own selfish desires. She's even told that, if she really wants to enact change, she could work within the system to build support and have the laws changed. And it goes right over her head.

Had she ever been successful, she would've caused even more suffering than the current leaders.

If anything, the WOL expresses true freedom throughout the whole run of the game. We, as adventurers, go wherever the wind takes us, see and experience things nobody else ever will, travel and explore distant lands, and we still manage to respect the rule of law and understand their customs and cultures of the societies we visit. That's what I would've liked to tell her, but the dialogue choices wouldn't let me, that, I'm a little miffed about.

Yeah our “freedom” allowed us to put down a (completely justified) peasant rebellion in kugane in support of a (corrupt) oligarch because we were buds with the (local thug gang) sekiseigumi and this was presented as the correct option

She was definitely in the wrong but let’s not pretend the WOL doesn’t veer a little too close to “weapon to maintain the status quo” a little too often