Chaotic is midcore, in case you were wondering

[Havenchild]

Why does anyone care what name we give it when there is a clear identifiable problem which is the lack of content that bridges between normal and ex?

Because people do not want to admit that they are actually unskilled players by shifting the definition on what midcore is. It's a useless word because the content it specifically would apply to the most (EX) is actually too hard for some people, again, who are unskilled.

If you were to put Chaotic on a mechanical level, it actually is on par with an EX, and it's all relatively easy to grasp concepts we've seen in the game over and over, (Stack Spread, In, Out, Look Away etc) but when you add 23 other people vs the usual 7, you have upped the fail points by 3fold at least, which makes it a low savage level.

Even players saying something in this thread like we want "a savage mechanic that can wipe the raid but less of them" is a nebulous ask because thats exactly what chaotic is already but they still complain about it.

If you have a mechanic that can wipe a raid, well amplify that by 23 people and its the exact situation with chaotic. What complainers really want is more braindead content that either can't wipe you outright or that with enough res mages you can brute force it with no issue which is basically a normal alliance raid.

[Mawlzy]

Because people do not want to admit that they are actually unskilled players by shifting the definition on what midcore is. It's a useless word because the content it specifically would apply to the most (EX) is actually too hard for some people, again, who are unskilled.

If you were to put Chaotic on a mechanical level, it actually is on par with an EX, and it's all relatively easy to grasp concepts we've seen in the game over and over, (Stack Spread, In, Out, Look Away etc) but when you add 23 other people vs the usual 7, you have upped the fail points by 3fold at least, which makes it a low savage level.

Even players saying something in this thread like we want "a savage mechanic that can wipe the raid but less of them" is a nebulous ask because thats exactly what chaotic is already but they still complain about it.

If you have a mechanic that can wipe a raid, well amplify that by 23 people and its the exact situation with chaotic. What complainers really want is more braindead content that either can't wipe you outright or that with enough res mages you can brute force it with no issue which is basically a normal alliance raid.

And your evidence for this is what exactly? I have seen nobody ask for this.

[Havenchild]

And your evidence for this is what exactly? I have seen nobody ask for this.

Because if the content is capable of a party wipe for a mechanic failure, this playerbase immediately calls it hardcore and savage tier. People in this very thread have said as much. So yes, these complainers do not like content that forces them to not be brainoff gamers. If you find CAR mechanically as savage tier, you really outing yourself for not having much savage experience cause all the damn mechs are in dungeons already and more oftenly appear in EX.

The only thing that separates CAR is the fact that you can't outright bulldoze it with ressing.

[Merrigan]

Because if the content is capable of a party wipe for a mechanic failure, this playerbase immediately calls it hardcore and savage tier. People in this very thread have said as much. So yes, these complainers do not like content that forces them to not be brainoff gamers. If you find CAR mechanically as savage tier, you really outing yourself for not having much savage experience cause all the damn mechs are in dungeons already and more oftenly appear in EX.

The only thing that separates CAR is the fact that you can't outright bulldoze it with ressing.

Could you quote the posts explicitly saying that it's the wipe that's considered abnormal? Because as much as I think it's not really accepted now, I'm struggling to see what you're referring to in this particular thread.

[Mawlzy]

Because if the content is capable of a party wipe for a mechanic failure, this playerbase immediately calls it hardcore and savage tier. People in this very thread have said as much. So yes, these complainers do not like content that forces them to not be brainoff gamers. If you find CAR mechanically as savage tier, you really outing yourself for not having much savage experience cause all the damn mechs are in dungeons already and more oftenly appear in EX.

The only thing that separates CAR is the fact that you can't outright bulldoze it with ressing.

And the reason for that lack of experience is the lack of bridging content from normal to higher-level combat.

It's really not helpful for you to repeatedly assert that players less-skilled/experienced than you want braindead content, when they are actively asking for content to help them become more-skilled/experienced.

[Lilapop]

Because if the content is capable of a party wipe for a mechanic failure, this playerbase immediately calls it hardcore and savage tier. People in this very thread have said as much. So yes, these complainers do not like content that forces them to not be brainoff gamers. If you find CAR mechanically as savage tier, you really outing yourself for not having much savage experience cause all the damn mechs are in dungeons already and more oftenly appear in EX.

The only thing that separates CAR is the fact that you can't outright bulldoze it with ressing.

Weren't you one of the people arguing in previous threads that the Chaotic is Savage tier? Now you're saying EX? No, nobody in this thread has asked for more "brainoff" content. I feel like the sentiment is, nobody except Havenchild enjoys a 24 person body check.

[Havenchild]

Weren't you one of the people arguing in previous threads that the Chaotic is Savage tier? Now you're saying EX? No, nobody in this thread has asked for more "brainoff" content. I feel like the sentiment is, nobody except Havenchild enjoys a 24 person body check.

Keep re-reading the following until you understand the difference between mechanical difficulty and what the encounter actually is as stated by Devs themselves.

If you were to put Chaotic on a mechanical level, it actually is on par with an EX, and it's all relatively easy to grasp concepts we've seen in the game over and over, (Stack Spread, In, Out, Look Away etc) but when you add 23 other people vs the usual 7, you have upped the fail points by 3fold at least, which makes it a low savage level.

[Lilapop]

Keep re-reading the following until you understand the difference between mechanical difficulty and what the encounter actually is as stated by Devs themselves.

I was trying to find where you actually acknowledged what I said until I realized you didn't. If people asked for a 24 person body check and enjoy a 24 person body check, where are these people? Other than yourself, since Havenchild isn't multiple people.

[Buttobi]

Because people do not want to admit that they are actually unskilled players by shifting the definition on what midcore is. It's a useless word because the content it specifically would apply to the most (EX) is actually too hard for some people, again, who are unskilled.

If you were to put Chaotic on a mechanical level, it actually is on par with an EX, and it's all relatively easy to grasp concepts we've seen in the game over and over, (Stack Spread, In, Out, Look Away etc) but when you add 23 other people vs the usual 7, you have upped the fail points by 3fold at least, which makes it a low savage level.

Even players saying something in this thread like we want "a savage mechanic that can wipe the raid but less of them" is a nebulous ask because thats exactly what chaotic is already but they still complain about it.

If you have a mechanic that can wipe a raid, well amplify that by 23 people and its the exact situation with chaotic. What complainers really want is more braindead content that either can't wipe you outright or that with enough res mages you can brute force it with no issue which is basically a normal alliance raid.

What "complainers" want is more content that falls between normal and ex trial difficulty. If you equate that with braindead content that can not wipe you then you are free to have that opinion. As it stands, the jump of difficulty between the 2 types of content is bigger than any other jump in difficulty in this game. I am not here to argue how the chaotic raid should have been, I just want more stuff to do for people that want to transition into playing a fight of that difficulty.

[Havenchild]

What "complainers" want is more content that falls between normal and ex trial difficulty. If you equate that with braindead content that can not wipe you then you are free to have that opinion. As it stands, the jump of difficulty between the 2 types of content is bigger than any other jump in difficulty in this game. I am not here to argue how the chaotic raid should have been, I just want more stuff to do for people that want to transition into playing a fight of that difficulty.

So basically an Alliance raid difficulty as is. Alliance raid is exactly what falls in between a "Normal" and "EX". Yes, its brain-off gaming. Why not call it for what it is?

EX IS the bridge between Normal dungeon and Savage tier, due to the fact that it can wipe you consistently. If you are looking for less difficulty than that, you want Alliance Raid difficulty.