Mr. Yoshida, About the Glamours

[ACE135]

I'm actually legitimately curious about this stance, considering the almost role agnostic armor pieces the game already has (like the replica sky pirate/sky rat gear, the crafter gear replicas dropped for Malikah's Well, the full plate PVP Armors, etc). With all those in game already, which are breaking role armor conventions, why are you still against opening up glamour restrictions? Not trying to diss you, I'm genuinely interested at the why.

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

[ovIm]

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

While I Can't say I quite agree given how some NPCs run around, I understand where you are coming from and why. Thanks for the insight, your answer is appreciated!

[Ath192]

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

Hasn't this ship sailed though? the game's aesthetic has degenerated to the point where this is no longer true, and hence, a decision has to be made. Given we know the majority of the playerbase would be against restricting back up so the game looks cohesive it is better to go the other way and make it so people aren't locked out.

Leaving it as it is won't make you happy, because you already have a 60% chance of finding at least one player wearing a troll costume to a fight and it sure as heck doesn't make the majority of players happy because there are some genuine pieces that would make for a good outfit they can't use because of these restrictions.

Sure I'll give you this, in a world where tanks still looked like tanks it would make a good case to preserve this integrity, but the integrity, we can all agree, is no longer there.

[Merrigan]

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

[Ath192]

I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

It is important for the developers to know that leaving the game as is not doing a service to the purists who want a consistent game aesthetic nor the people who want an open glam game. So right now this is not satisfying any demographic.

Instead of making everyone mad, they should please one side or the other, that is, make the game look cohesive again which I find almost impossible or free up the game to make the other side happy. All I'm asking is that SE makes at least one side happy instead of frustrating everyone. The middle is not a good place to be with this issue.

[ACE135]

Hasn't this ship sailed though? the game's aesthetic has degenerated to the point where this is no longer true, and hence, a decision has to be made. Given we know the majority of the playerbase would be against restricting back up so the game looks cohesive it is better to go the other way and make it so people aren't locked out.

Leaving it as it is won't make you happy, because you already have a 60% chance of finding at least one player wearing a troll costume to a fight and it sure as heck doesn't make the majority of players happy because there are some genuine pieces that would make for a good outfit they can't use because of these restrictions.

Sure I'll give you this, in a world where tanks still looked like tanks it would make a good case to preserve this integrity, but the integrity, we can all agree, is no longer there.

I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

I don't really have a problem when someone wears the pig, elephant, frog or whatever costume. There is no class for example whose armor is generally based on the look of pigs, elephants etc. so there can be no confusion in that regard. But when someone wears a class or role armor it should be the one corresponding to the class or role currently played.

So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X". But when someone wears a tank armor for example, you should be able to think "he/she is wearing tank armor, so it is a tank". So in my opinion it shouldn't be that you can't even recognize classes/roles anymore based on the class/role armor they are wearing.

[Ath192]

I don't really have a problem when someone wears the pig, elephant, frog or whatever costume. There is no class for example whose armor is generally based on the look of pigs, elephants etc. so there can be no confusion in that regard. But when someone wears a class or role armor it should be the one corresponding to the class or role currently played.

So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X". But when someone wears a tank armor for example, you should be able to think "he/she is wearing tank armor, so it is a tank". So in my opinion it shouldn't be that you can't even recognize classes/roles anymore based on the class/role armor they are wearing.

That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

[Carin-Eri]

That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

Agreed.

One of my friends plays White Mage as their main job. Their usual 'outfit' of choice is the fierce tyrant's attire


So, as you say, the statement made by the person you quoted has already been defeated.

And in terms of their comment "So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X" - no, I think they look stupid and have no idea what class/role they're playing because they look ridiculous and I therefore really don't care what class/role they're playing.

[Ath192]

Agreed.

One of my friends plays White Mage as their main job. Their usual 'outfit' of choice is the fierce tyrant's attire


So, as you say, the statement made by the person you quoted has already been defeated.

And in terms of their comment "So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X" - no, I think they look stupid and have no idea what class/role they're playing because they look ridiculous and I therefore really don't care what class/role they're playing.

Honestly that is a very versatile piece. I use it for a WHM glam too, and theres plenty of heavy armor that doesn't look out of place in caster classes.

[ACE135]

That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

I know that there are already cases where armor doesn't fit the classes who are wearing it. But that doesn't mean I'm in favor of them continuing it with more armor in the future.