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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    SAM's Gyoten is a gauge spender that's usually used in tandem with Yaten for disengagement scenarios. You use Shinten, Sanei, and Zanshin instead in the 2min burst. Ikishouten gives you 50 gauge, the cost of Gyoten/Yaten are minimal, and you gain gauge quickly enough that it's just not a problem there.

    It's not so much the gap closer that's the problem and more the fact that charge actions don't mesh well at all with the 2 minute meta.

    EDIT: What I'm trying to say, is that both SAM and ShB WAR's gap closers work while still having damage because they're not used for the burst, and they do it by being gauge spenders that shares the resource with a burst tool.
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    Last edited by Azurarok; 01-08-2025 at 01:55 AM.

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    RyuuZero's Avatar
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    Ryu Kusanagi
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    Cerberus
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    SAM's Gyoten is a gauge spender that's usually used in tandem with Yaten for disengagement scenarios. You use Shinten, Sanei, and Zanshin instead in the 2min burst. Ikishouten gives you 50 gauge, the cost of Gyoten/Yaten are minimal, and you gain gauge quickly enough that it's just not a problem there.

    It's not so much the gap closer that's the problem and more the fact that charge actions don't mesh well at all with the 2 minute meta.

    EDIT: What I'm trying to say, is that both SAM and ShB WAR's gap closers work while still having damage because they're not used for the burst, and they do it by being gauge spenders that shares the resource with a burst tool.
    tiny correction.. you can't use Zanshin outside of Ikishoten, so Zanshin is just a Kenki Sponge that soaks up Ikishoten's Kenki and Senei is just a bigger Shinten.. so the Gyoten/Yaten Kenki Cost is kinda unnoticable
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    Player AvoSturmfaust's Avatar
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    Jin Sohan
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    SAM's Gyoten is a gauge spender that's usually used in tandem with Yaten for disengagement scenarios. You use Shinten, Sanei, and Zanshin instead in the 2min burst. Ikishouten gives you 50 gauge, the cost of Gyoten/Yaten are minimal, and you gain gauge quickly enough that it's just not a problem there.

    It's not so much the gap closer that's the problem and more the fact that charge actions don't mesh well at all with the 2 minute meta.

    EDIT: What I'm trying to say, is that both SAM and ShB WAR's gap closers work while still having damage because they're not used for the burst, and they do it by being gauge spenders that shares the resource with a burst tool.
    thats not fully true, you actually use your gap close in your burst as samurai, because it has the same potency per kenki value then shinten has, so if you have spare 10 kenki and buffs are still up you will use the gap closer for dmg or if you wanna manipulate your kenki for your burst, there are many examples to use it as dmg tool and in your burst
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    Last edited by AvoSturmfaust; 01-11-2025 at 12:15 AM.